Every now & then we come across various claim & counter claim about muslim population or for that matter growth of muslims in India. There number varies from 130 million to 350 million.
Whatever it might be doesnt make much differance but what does make a differance is lack of muslim representation in state assemblies as well as in Indian parliament.
The number of elected muslim representatives are declining allover.
Go with any census,any survey or any record by any means or standard its crystal clear that muslim representation declined multifold since they were under British rule.
Under Bristish rule all elections were conducted on the basis of proportion or percentage of population so that all ethnic groups & communities get proper & fair representation in the parliament & state assemblies proportionate to their actual number.
That was very successful but somehow after independance for some strange or mysterious reasons they change to present system which offers little or no representation for muslims in the Governing bodies.
Government should come out with exact number of muslim population in India and should give muslims legal rights to elect their own muslim representatives in parliament & Assemblies like all the other groups has.
We have reserve seats for Dalits/SC/ST and no one else other than them can contest election on those seats then why no proportional representation for second largest majority of India ?
We are not asking for reservation .
We are just asking our scraped rights which was there for hundreds of years even under British rule.
Why not now ?
It is purely legal,fair just & constitutional by all means & It was in effect in India for so long.
I dont think any Government in present scenario has any morale courage or guts or ethical commitment to implement this democratic right on their own but muslims.
Its about time for muslims to demand justice.
Wake up brothers & sisters.
Nobody will raise voice for your rights.
You have to fight your own battle for your legal rights.
Its high time for muslims to start a mammoth mass movement for the restoration of their democratic rights.
What do we want - Equal rights.
Our demand - Fair represnetation.
To My Beloved Venu Gopal
I know Venu Gopal loves me so much that he wont miss a chance to counter me...lol...good to see u back venu....u & me have a love hate relationhip.
Ok dear venu
As u said Britons are not the best example to follow but you never fail to follow them when it comes to curse muslims.Where you get the misconception of Islamic intolerance,fanatic traits,closed societies,captive aundiance,lack of freedom blah blah blah.......?Check your own blogs.You get these populist propaganda straight from Bristish polity.You followed them more than once not only that you even praise them.Come on dude make up ur mind either take it or leave it.This is nothing but marriage of convenience...lolWhenever my hindu brothers got muslim sore throat they praised & run for western warm patch but when it comes to human rights & secular democracy Britons are bad example.
Classic example of opportunism.
U said "Let us keep religions private affairs"
Good but what about your whole hearted support for religious extremist like RSS/Shivsena/VHP.You never failed to protect & pamper those fanatics who want India to be a Hindu Rastra on the basis of religion ?If you think RSS or for that matter any Hindu is representing muslims thats a biggest lie.
People amongst your own fold (tribals/dalit/sc/st..etc) reject your intention to fairly represent their interest therefor they got reservation and choosing their own representative & you are telling me that you guys can represent us for our betterment.RSS henchos are hell bent to finish muslims from India.Do you want us to trust Modis/Togadias & Singhals to represent us for our betterment ? Those who want to finish us ?
Do u think we are that much fool ?Come on venu be honest or atleast be reasonable.If all Indians are same why you guys are way ahead & we are far behind ?
Why we are the least advanced group in post independance India ?
(Some would say muslims have to blame themselves for their pathetic state.
Ok fine if thats our fault than for God sake tell me why we were forging ahead leaps & bounds for hundreds of years, even under British rule ?)
Why u r enjoying all the benefits & we are deprieved of our basic rights ?
why our numbers are steadily declining in all walks of life for last 60 years ?
Why everybody else has their own representative & we dont have proper representation on any level of Governance ?
Why those who demand retrial of Mattoo/Jesica or Katara cases are great patriots but those who demand retrial for Afzal are anti-nationals ?
Why a Hindu is still a patriot even if he didnt sing VM but a muslim who didnt sing VM is comunal,anti-national or traitor ?
Why these differences if all Indians are same ?
My friend the ultimate trueth is we are different.
You hollow words sounds all are same but your actions proved time & again that we are different.
If you think being a Hindu you can still represent my interest than tell me what you guys were doing for last 60 years ?
Now suddenly you think you can take care of muslims ?
The trueth is as I said earlier & am repeating again that Hindus want to enjoy all the benefits of independant India themselves & they dont want to share the fruits of democracy with nobody.
And the irony is that the same people shamelessly complain that muslims are not in the main stream.
Yes muslims are not in the Indian main stream because u guys systematicaly pushed them back.
Thats the reality.
Let me ask u a straight questionDo you think that all communities must have proper representation in the Government ?
No gimmick a straight yes or no ?
Do u believe Hindus are all knowing & they know our problems better than us ?Being a muslim we know our problems better than others & we have all rights to choose our own representatives.Tell me how a nation can prosper when its 35 % of population is legging behind ?
How a nation become strong when 35 % of its citizen are deprieved ?
Unfortunately racial profiling,stereo typing, rampant discrimination,humiliation & flagrant abuse of minorities is norm of proving ones patriotism in India in general & my great Hindu breathern in particular.
Continue : ANTICIPATED KNEE JERK REACTIONS
Well everybody dodge the real question, even Mr Venu has no straight answer....its not new I anticipated that.
Dear Observer I am not foreigner but 100 % pure Indian by all means. You should observe history closely before lieing. U cant be a muslim by force.Its against our belief & we are muslims who stand by their words. Check history Aurangzeb was the one who created single largest Indian state.U guys dont have a logical answer hence u r hurling false accusations.
Dear Venu prove your flasehood that India was secular before arrival of foreigners ?
I challenge you to prove your lies.I can prove you with many concrete evidence that it was unjust society.
Who was the founder & follower of evil caste system,untouchability,devdasi,Sati systesm ?
They were not muslims.The people who differentiate amongst their own people on the basis of caste & creed are secular ?Show me what kind of secularism were there ?
You didnt reply my question because you dont have a reply.
If you think RSS is not religious why they are closed door conductor ?
Why there is not a single non hindu in RSS ?
And about their nationalism (excuse me for my words but kiss my ass)
They were hobnobbing with Britons when the whole India was fighting for freedom.
They are official traitors and for more details check Government of India's records.
They are direct descendent of Amichand and u said they are nationalist ?
If RSS is nationalist than I would love to be a common man rather than a psuedo nationalist like them.You drag Kashmir into it so listen The whole world unanimously passed a resolution in the UN in 1948 asking Indian state to take referandum on right of self determination which is still pending so you better keep quiet on Kashmir.Stop twisting history even though its your passion.Your complain "being an Indian compromises being a muslim" is a white lie and it may be your problem but not ours.
We are comfortable with our identity because we are people with clear concept & command & not lost souls like u.
For us being Indian is not compulsion or compromise but natural choice because we are followers of Islam where compulsion has no place.
Indeed Indian constitution is against the ethos of Hinduism.
Dont you know that ?
Indian Penal Code forbids Devdasi,Untouchability,Atrocities on OBC,Satipratha,Santhara the list is endless.
Actually those so called ethos (as u said) are criminal activities in Indian laws.
By the way who are those who are pitching high against the supreme court verdict on Ayodhya ?
Ayodhya is the matter of Hindu Asmita which is above the law of India, who are these people ?
Hindus & u said Indian constitution is not against ur ill percieved ethos, u r loosing ur mind venu.
Who u are fooling around with ...lol
Demand for proportional representation is nothing new it was successfully there in effect for so long in India untill my great hindu breatherns start picking on us communally.
It is just, fair & perfectly democratic.
We are ready for open debate,discussion,global initiative under any nuetral world authority or agency like UN. We have no problem whichever way our beloved government want to proceed.
You can dodge it , delay it but cant deny it.
We know how to fight for our rights.
We will fight for justice till the end no matter whatever it takes.
We are ready to pay the price & we know we are fighting our back to wall so we have nothing to loose now.
Enough is enough no more crap n trash we want our share & will get it.
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Observer Friday, October 20, 2006 6:28:54 AM
Ruzan what are you griping about ? Muslims have much more rights in India than Hindus in Pakistan or S.Arabia or for that matter even muslims in Pakistan. You are all lucky to be in India !!
Khalid Friday, October 20, 2006 8:43:31 AM
Ruzan, i am an INDIAN MUSLIM ans every now and then by writing such blogs you are trying to create polarisation between hindus and muslims,for god sake understand the situation of muslims in gujarat is not the same in the whole country and last thing we need is a another religious party.
ashram Friday, October 20, 2006 9:33:05 AM
None of us in India will have any objections if Muslims In india agree to abide by the laws in India.Both Criminal and civil ( including Marriage laws )and if they agree to family planning measures and ban of all the sick useless Fatwa issuing organisations.And since you demand Justice in India it is time for you to follow a common law of the country and pay taxes accordingly instead of indulging in Smuggling and anti national activities.Also will this propotional representation be restricted to Elections or also be extended to to the following:1.Cricket Team.2.Judiciary ,Police and other law enforcement agencies.3.Medical health .4.Employment in private sector.5.Film Industry.
U_ALL_R_SICK Friday, October 20, 2006 11:53:05 AM
Ashram,Pls stop these idiotic comments..
Cool Friday, October 20, 2006 11:54:41 AM
That's right . Stop this nonesnse.
Chetan Rathi Friday, October 20, 2006 1:02:23 PM
I agree with Khalid bro. He is right we don't need other religious party in this country. Ruzan, I thought you were broad minded person but after reading this blog I think I was wrong. You behold same ugly thoughts of dividing hindus and muslims for some reason or other. sorry, but you need to change your thinking for better future of country as the whole.
Citizen Kane Friday, October 20, 2006 2:39:55 PM
Ruzan,I dont understand what ur cribbing about. Muslims are very well off in India...except in North India where illeteracy is a big problem...try to do something on that front for muslims instead of cribbing...The muslims are better off in India and the best proof is that muslims have full freedom to practice their religion..the adhans, mosques, eid namaz in public places etc are enough proof for u...muslims not being properly represented is their own doing...Being a muslim I feel hurt when other muslims indulge in terror or anti national activities...what example are we setting? The best discipline is by a muslim but are we following that discipline in life...if muslims follow the Quran and Hadith correctly and not be misled by scrupulous elements then all the issues which you have raised will disappear...Be proud of being an Indian muslim and always be thankful even if u get an atom of good.
Dear friends please note....A married man was asked to perform hisSWOT(Strength,Weakness,Opportunity,Threat) Analysis.He said, his strength is his wife.His weakness is neighbour's wife.Opportunity comes when neighbour goes out.Threat comes when he himself goes out.Hammam me sub nange haiPlease don't blame each other do you duty thats all.
Great idea, I think then different religions also should come up with this idea. Considering the number of religions in India, it would be a fun and press would be really busy, atleast we can increase the workload of journalists. I think you should read why British did it, they believed in divide and rule policy. Hope you won't try to give this kind of ideas anymore
Shersingh Friday, October 20, 2006 7:59:34 PM
If anyone is to blame it is the Mullahs, who have a vested interest in keeping the majority of Muslims uneducated and therefore disenfranchised. The answer is in education, professional and vocational, which will allow greater participation in the mainstream, and increased employment.
jay Friday, October 20, 2006 8:41:17 PM
Tipical muslim bull $hit.this bloggers are not happy a muslim beeing a precident,still not happy muslim people have seria laws,still not happy muslim peopel have their own coolege,still not happy that the muslim peopel have reservation now some thing new.Thsi is a good example that this muslim peopel are here in india to devide and destry.no matter how nice this country did to muslim they are NOT thank full.They always compalin about indian.they are carword .What will happen if muslim peopel have political power what will happen to hindus.they will make law that will desrtoy a country.muslim peopel always miss use minority laws black mail hindus now what will happen if they got political power.
aftabon Friday, October 20, 2006 9:00:17 PM
Dear Friends,Ruzan is not asking for separate country but just asking for representation which everyone know that Muslims needs leadesrhip and representation.Friends why you all start accusing of anything which might benifit the muslims populations of india.Try to understand if muslim are represented fairly then lots of problem related to terrorism etc will diminish automtomatically.take the example of BJP : they promised building of Ram temple and hidden agenda of finishing of muslism communities but when they started getting votes from muslims community also they started praising Jinnah also.I believe that Bad people from muslim community becomes "TERRORIST" and bad people from Hindu Community becomes "Politician or Neta"
ruzan_shah Friday, October 20, 2006 10:48:37 PM
As usual I am accused of being communal.Show me where I demand anything on religious basis ?Those polluted minds & poisonous hearts never fail to drag religion into everything.I neither ask reservation nor did I wrote anything on religious basis.Why u guys look all genuine issues in terms of religion ?All I said is restoration of an approved democratic practise that has nothing to do with religion.Its purely rational fair & just.To Observer : we are in India because we united India, we are here because we pour our blood & sweat in the nation building. We are here on our merit,strength,hard work, love & loyalty & not on the whims & mercy of anybody.To khalid : Tell me how I am polarising ? Where in my bolg u find demand for religious party ?I am communal merely by demanding my rights but those already under quotas asking for more are gentlemens ?why what kind of logic is this ?To Chetan : Again show me where in my blog I asked for religious party ? Tell me how I am dividing Hindus & muslims by asking for my own legal rights scraped unreasonably. Indeed I changed my thinking after what I gone through.Do you think I am unjust,unfair or communal just because I am demanding my constitutional rights ?Tell me why Dalits/SC/ST?OBC are not communal but we are communal ?I am not asking for anything new instead we are demanding restoration of our democratic rights scraped unfairly. This is purely social & humanitarian & democratic demand.It has nothing to do with religion so please stop politicising it & accusing me of being communal or divisive.Why dont you come up with logical reason behind the cessation of the rights ? what was the compulsion ?I am not communal but indeed they were communal who scraped our rights. Nations who deprieved & descriminate their own citizens of democratic rights can never get better. Country is getting better in part but not as a whole.Its time for my hindu brothers to change their mindset.
Observer Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:46:11 AM
Ruzan you sound as though you landed from a different land. Remember this once and for all. Most ancestors of present day muslims in India, whom I have nothing against, were forcibly converted to Islam. Dont tell me you in the sense islamic raiders from the Middle East united India. No doubt muslims like hindus & others have toiled in nation building. So dont talk like a foreigner.
K.Venugopal Saturday, October 21, 2006 2:46:37 PM
Dear Ruzan, India is secular and democratic not because Britain made it such, but because of its Hindu culture of freedom. The RSS is not a religious organization but a nationalistic one. Strengthening Indian nationalism is the best way to unite all Indians. When you say that Muslims were forging ahead leaps and bounds under British rule but not now, then you are probably looking at progress from the angle of secession. Muslims had a very successful run under the British leading to partition. Now Muslims are finding it difficult to get secession for even the Kashmir valley. Good old times, eh?Nobody needs to be taken care of by anyone else. We all have the opportunity to take care of ourselves. This is what democracy and secularism means.The greatest difference between the Hindus and Muslims as far as India is concerned is that Hindus do not see a difference between being a Hindu and being an Indian whereas Muslims feel being an Indian compromises his being a Muslim. The Indian constitution is not against the ethos of Hinduism but it clashes with the ethos of Islam and Shariat.If Muslims are not in the mainstream, it is only because they do not desire to be in the mainstream. They think the mainstream is Hindu and they want to be in an Islamic stream all by themselves. This is the psyche calling for proportional representation. No Indian would agree to such divisive mechanisms.
jay Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:31:26 PM
muslim people want the law to be bend just becauce they are muslim.
jay Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:42:10 PM
Stop the crocadie tears that muslim is sudenly so carring about sc.Muslim dont want their women to go to school now they are BLAMING hindus for muslims Failure.Muslim country in Africa asia are have their own untuch able now why this blogger sudenly stared to care about India.India give evry thing for muslim and look how bad this people abusing the minority power.And still finding foult on india.
JayWhy dont u first go to some school for basic english & then come here to dump ur trash.Man your english is too good to understand....lol
K. Venugopal Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:46:16 PM
Dear Ruzan,
To your question, “Do you think that all communities must have proper representation in the Government?” my straight answer is YES. Incidentally, I would like to get your straight answer to my question, “Do you think all Muslims must have proper representation in the Muslim Law Board”?You say you are an Indian but by your blogs you sound like a Jinnah who too would have considered himself an Indian before he became inspired by Islam to create Pakistan.The very fact that Islam believes in apostasy proves that Islam is a religion of force. No Muslim is permitted to leave Islam. What do you say to this? Aurangzeb may have created the single largest Indian state but he was a religious bigot. He was a precursor to the Taliban. If his rule had continued, all Hindu temples would have met the fate of the Bamiyan statues.
K.Venugopal Sunday, October 22, 2006 6:46:47 PM
Dear Ruzan,
If India was not secular before the British came, India would have splintered a thousand ways. It is only because there is no sense of secularism in Islam that when the Muslims grew in sufficient numbers, partition of India occurred. As a Hindu, I am against caste system, untouchability, devadasi etc. As a Muslim, are you against triple talaq, the right of husbands to beat wives etc in Islam?What has Islam to say about the Sunni-Shia divide? Why can’t believers in Quran consider themselves Muslims without being Sunnis or Shias? What would you know about nationalism who finds it difficult to sing Vande Mataram? In any case, Islam does not believe in nationalism but only the brotherhood of believers.Whatever the RSS did during freedom struggle, it did not betray it like some others did to partition the country. Traitors are not RSS but the people who created Pakistan.You say Muslims have a clear identity and are people with clear concept and command and not lost souls like Hindus. But did such clear identity help Pakistan, which Muslims so eagerly created to cherish their identity? It broke up within 25 years. Islamic identity could not keep Pakistan united.You say in Islam there is no compulsion. Actually Islam is a life-long regime of compulsion. Even if you do not follow the tenets of Islam, it is OK as long as you count yourself a member of the community. But the moment you want to opt out, it is death for you. Can you please answer why Islam has an apostasy law?
K.Venugopal Sunday, October 22, 2006 10:46:15 PM
Dear Ruzan,
The Indian constitution is akin to the Hindu ethos, what with the constitution being amenable to amendments, being secular, being democratic etc. Being an open minded constitution, it will naturally as time goes by reflect the Hindu ethos more and more. Unless the pseudo secularists of India force the constitution to reflect the Shariat.
The Muslim ethos, prescribed and circumscribed by the Islamic constitution called Shariat, is not amenable to amendments (causing such ludicrous situations where the Quran itself says that triple Talaq is abominable but still retaining it - a cause of much hair-splitting among the Islamic clergy), is not secular and democratic. This is a far cry from the Indian constitution, is it not?
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