Objections to anything Islamic - the infidels revealed

Tuesday, February 13, 2007
Objections to anything Islamic-The infidels revealed
This is the 2nd Part of a Valentine Day blog which is not getting posted in full.So end Part 2/2
Islamic Banking and objections raised by the BJP - it only helps financially to raise the national wealth of India by attracting Gulf money with Islamic Banks-why not ? It is a form of business and the right time now when Arab governments are pulling out their deposits from US & European countries and looking for new avenues for deposits. They are not asking for huge profits like the west. They would like their money to stay invested through Islamic Banking. And India can only benefit by jumping on the bandwagon. BUT if the Hindutva ideology is paranoia against everything Islamic- We as INDIANS will lose a great deal by getting too close to the Israelis and moving too far from the Muslim Nations. As a Secular Non Aligned Nation –we have to look for the benefit of the Citizens and NOT hold our Paranoid anti Islam views to scuttle any program which is good for the nation as such.

A very good example of Paranoia –Anti Muslim Anti Prophet Anti Islam Pro Hindutva ideas spoiling the peace &the secular fabric of our nation is seen below !And that my fellow Indians is the plain Honest Truth ! Let it STOP NOW !!!

Monday, December 25, 2006
bajrangi or terorist !
a cover story in tehleka revealed some individual releted to the ultra hindu organisation like rss, vhp or bajrang dal activist are now taking arm trainig as well as training of bomb making the naded blast & many blast that happen around maharastra are saying this truth however the matter is under judicial but the naded blast that claim the live of two member of bajrang dal say the simple truth. those accused the blast say that they get order to plant the bomb outside the mosque on friday when maximum people gether for pray. the fundamentalist powers are traying to destablise the country one side the jaish a mohamad or hijbul mujahdin are killing the innocent people in the name of religion the bajrangi are not behind also before it dara singh the bajrang dal activist of orrissa kill a misinary grahm stance in the name of religion they are luring the youth by saying that their religion is in danger . those who understand this can simply understand that the game of hatred is being spreading in name of religion & exposed such powers to maintain the secular fabric of the country

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Learner Monday, December 25, 2006 3:52:03 PM
Dear garry kristan read your post and felt glad that some one has written about these hindu militants. And one more thing there is a request for you once again go through your post and correct your spelling mistakes and add comas and full stops whenever it is needed.don't mind please take it in good spirit.

A _Jew_OfPEACE Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:42:30 AM
Merry Christmas and Happy new year to you all.May Santa and New Year Bring All that You Ever Wished For.

SpeedLearner Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:45:32 AM
Merry Christmas and Happy new year to you all. K.Venugopal Friday, December 22, 2006 8:50:41 PM Religious conversion is a phenomenon introduced by Christianity and ardently followed on by Islam. It is based on the premise, you are wrong and I am right and I alone am right. This is a pernicious theory. For Truth is nobody's monopoly. In Hinduism, the culture of conversion does not exist because it is a culture of acceptance - accepting that there are many ways to God and God appears in many ways. The rise of Christianity and Islam converted large areas of the world into regions of religions intolerance and the spectre is spreading. Now the time has come for the Hindus to broadcast its vision of religious freedom so that the “my-God-the-only-true-God” religions of Christianity and Islam do not turn the world into warring camps of Missionaries and Jehadis and ghettoize religions in the process. Let the Hindus intervene!

betterlife Tuesday, December 26, 2006 6:18:30 PM
Don't use the word 'Hindu' for any organization. Hinduism has got nothing to do with any organization. These are socio-political organizations.

ALI Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:47:41 PM
All done and said was tit for tat, u see to remove a pin from your flesh a pin is required, So a terror can be countered by another terror so as to balance the scale.

Kazi_Nissar_Ahmad Wednesday, December 27, 2006 2:11:32 PM
Well done ALI. you are great.you must create more terrorists to remove so many pins in your body. your flesh is crimson red with so many pins in your body. well said, after all the pain is in your body, why should others bother. WISHING YOU MORE PINS!

Rajneesh_1975 Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:02:04 PM
Who ever spreads hate in the name of caste, religion or race, should be shot dead without a trial and appeal. That applies to Hindu as well as Muslim terrorists.However, if one sees Terrorism faced by India (except North East), it is mostly Sikh, Muslim and off late Naxal Terrorism. And we are soft, to all Dara Singhs, to all Afzals, to all Bhindrawalans till they kill couple of hundred if not thousand people.

Learner Friday, December 29, 2006 5:53:22 PM
Rajneesh why dont you mention the bajrang dal,VHP,and shiv sena terrorist.They are more destructive. Ghar ka bhedi lanka dhaay.

GK Friday, December 29, 2006 6:26:27 PM
dalit Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:31:24 PMAll the top beuracratic posts, media, top posts in politics especially in BJP and Congress, top jobs in IT cos etc, who do you find? Brahmins, of course... Using their intelligence and years of development of their community has brought them on top...every brahmin is on top..those who aren't are those who stick to ageold customs and beliefs...Brahmins are very very well off in political, business, jobs, top jobs etc...So stop fooling the public!Soma Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:17:17 PMNonsense Dalit.. What do you mean years of development? We all got english education and engineering or science in books at the same time. Ambedkar is educated first to many many generations of Muslims. can i say that Ambedkar caste is more advanced. You find many engineers first time in family from farming doing well. We have Rikshaw puller's son cracking top rank in IIT. You are taking the argument too far. And if so, all Muslims can read koran and most of them can read and write verses of koran. Do you say they are far more better than any others. Dalit, you being educated want to exploit the creamy layer and take the freebies. Accept it. Atleast a dalit logging into internet and writing flawless english does not deserve any reservation. I am here waiting for a break an educated Muslim.

Rajneesh_1975 Friday, December 29, 2006 7:54:11 PM
Dear Learner,If VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS are fomenting hate, blowing up innocent people are involved in anti national or criminal acts, they should be shot dead as well.But, if a Muslim is caught involved in Terrorist activities, he should have the same fate.No one should be able to terrorize people, take law and order in his hands and kill for Religion, Caste or any vested interest. Constitution & Tri Color is and should be supreme without any RELIGIOUS BIAS. DO YOU AGREE?

Learner Monday, January 1, 2007 12:21:39 PM
Yes i agree with you

Freethinker Monday, January 1, 2007 12:41:46 PM
Religion is nothing but the pursuit of power. If you flip through history since Christ, power was wielded by religious leaders. The powers of the Pope and its abuse are well documented.Political leaders who felt suffocated, rebelled against this. prominent among them were people like Napolean Bonaparte who referred to the Pope as "that scoundrel", a couple of English monarchs, and the leaders of newly formed independent USA.The US constitution enshrines the complete separation of church and state. Politicians, Judges etc can not use the word God while swearing in (they can do so at private ceremonies, not the public ones).Power moved from religious leaders to political leaders. Since the 1920s in USA, and later elsewhere, power has been moving from political leaders to economic leaders. See the rise of mega transnational corporations, of Warren Buffets and Bill Gates's and Lakshmi Mittals and their like.Religious leaders are trying to grab back the mantles of power. If in the process a couple of million people die in riots, they couldn't care less.Did any BJP leader die or get his bones broken at Ayodhya? It is only the gullible people who are used as cannon fodder.The answer is not one religion or the other, all their leaders appear like gangsters demanding their "hafta" and promising an excellent lefe after death (Dead people can not enforce a cash back guarantee).The answer is in rational thinking, in mapping out the cause-and-effect relationship in our life. There is only one life as we know it.

K.Venugopal Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:31:51 PM
To protect our Hindu religion it is okay to kill hundreds of Christians and thousands of Muslims. As another person said, to dump Islamic terrorism we need to have these Bajrang Dal. And there is nothing wrong to blast a mosque with hundreds of muslims. Well, they would like it because they can name it as Shaheed! So, let me see what a muslim can answer for these blog! If you ask me. There should be only religion and that should be Hindu because Hinduism is culture of acceptance - accepting that there are many ways to God and God appears in many ways. Jai Bajrang Dal! And we hindu brother must be always UNITY!

freethinker Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:36:15 PM
e4the answer is in rationalism, reason, and a-theism.Does the atheist deny the existence of a god? consider this:-1. Christians deny the existence of any God except one, and his so called son (born out of a virgin), Jesus.2. Muslims deny the existence of any God except one "almighty", and his prophet, Mohamed. Mohamed is supposed to be the last word on religion, he can not be questioned or succeeded, what he said 1,400+ years ago is supposed to be tue for eternity. And we have people believing that!These two religions make up a majority of "believers". Most of their followers come from places where liberal education is not available -
arab street, latin america, africa.christianity is under threat in europe and north america, where hard science and logic are gaining the upper hand. Have you noticed the pope squeal against science? he stillwants the people to believe that god created the world in 3 days, that the earth is flat and is at the centre of the universe!Will there be a similar uprising against islam and hinduism, so that reason can prevail?

human Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:42:28 PM
Venu, I thought u were an intellectual person but since when have changed to a MONKEY?

humayun Friday, January 12, 2007 3:54:32 PM
u shld remember that when u attack temples and amarnath pilgrims one day there wld be a reaction that wld put gujrat to shame. as for bombs wont the 1000's of muslims attending mosques be sitting duck targets.so stop this terrorism and be safe than sorry

Hari R Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:29:42 PM
I WANT TO JOIN BAJRANG DAL FOR MAKING BOMBS TO PROTECT HINDUISM

Chandarshant Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:57:40 PM
HAJJ is terrorist gathering, USA must target that with F22 fighter plan and kill all those terrorist when they attent MACCA what ever

thinkitover Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:15:25 PM
This was bound to happen sooner or later. Our leaders have messed up the meaning of the word 'secularism'. Religious holidays and the column for mentioning religion should have been done away long ago. All public display of religious ceremonies should be in conformity with public order irrespective of minority or majority religion. Family planning should have been imposed strictly. No TV channel should be allowed to propagate religion. There are so many other things the govt needs to do in order to send the signal it is serious about seculariasm, until then we can only expect more of this kind in near future.

Irshad4u Monday, January 22, 2007 7:17:22 PM
Hari R Chandarshant K.Venugopal "You are today where your thoughts have brought you; you will be tomorrow where your thoughts take you." so you people if Today we can sow seeds of peace with every thought we think and every word we speak. . Peace begins with each and every one of us and the love that we send forth.

yahoo.com Monday, January 22, 2007 8:39:10 PM
my friend i agree with u that thees groups are anti_social organization.they all must be bend. However your blog sounds like anti-social itself which stands u in the same line as bajarng dal and other you have not wright about the realign which does not support any kind of violence .the people those are the member of theseorganization do not belong to any realign if thay belong thay would have not joined them.

irshad_khan Tuesday, January 23, 2007 5:00:11 PM
I liked it gary - keep it coming and throw the smut on the face of these ruthless, merciless, penniless, b_astards who are nothing but hungry for power and wealth and bring shame to India and its glory by inciting hatred and voilence in the name of great religions ( which are all about good acts of kindness ).

sage Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:36:07 PM
muslims are khown for infighting the latest is pakistan,gaza,lebonan. they are khown for fighting among themselves. for anti national muslims(thats all the muslim population in india). in india we have police who will support hindus in clashes that we have seen in recent clashes in bangalore. we need the bajrang dal, shiv sena to wipe muslims if they kill innocent hindus.

SHASHI Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:48:12 PM
"LIVE & LET LIVE" This is the guiding principle for all the religious militants fighting in the name of their respective religion.Unless all the involved parties realise that the world in the future has no place for domination of one single religion over others. The situation will only get worse.Because today those victimised by terror are more likely to beget the generation who seeks revenge for the atrocities committed by the terrorists on their kith & kins. Ultimately in the end everyone fighting will be traversing the same unethical violent path towards the achievement of their advantage over other fellow human beings. This may finally result in the looser being vanquished But the winner left with nothing but destruction and greatly reduced numbers of his community members.

muneerudeen Friday, February 2, 2007 5:21:38 PM
I cannot beleive this ! I cannot stay without commenting on this and so my detailed thoughts on the men in wolf's clothing can be seen in a seperate blog - BEWARE !
To protect our Hindu religion it is okay to kill hundreds of Christians and thousands of Muslims. As another person said, to dump Islamic terrorism we need to have these Bajrang Dal. And there is nothing wrong to blast a mosque with hundreds of muslims. Well, they would like it because they can name it as Shaheed! So, let me see what a muslim can answer for these blog! If you ask me. There should be only religion and that should be Hindu because Hinduism is culture of acceptance - accepting that there are many ways to God and God appears in many ways. Jai Bajrang Dal! And we hindu brother must be always UNITY!





Wednesday, February 7, 2007
A Kafir terrorist in a Believer's nightmare?
Dear everyone participating in these blog discussions about Islam. I feel Muneerka is in a strange stage of being confused about his dream state and reality. He says in a comment in his own blog MISCONCEPTIONS - WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM - FOR THOSE INTERESTED ONLY! [Tues, Feb 6, 2:47:40 AM], "BUT my conscience is against replying to Venugopal - after his comment to blow up 1000 Muslims in a mosque so they would be happy to be Shaheeds!" Except for two or three exchanges of e-mail with him, where he unilaterally ceased to reply to me fearing that someone is out to transfer viruses into his computer, I have always been responding to him only on NDTV blogs. Fortunately I have a record of all my blogs and comments. Nowhere have I talked about blowing up 1000 Muslims in a mosque or wherever. Then from where did he get the quotation? Have I become a part of his nightmares? I did mention that he could be suffering from paranoia. Seems I’ve been proved right.
Anyway, I wish to assure him, if I could, that I see Muslims just as I see others, as fellow-human beings. My problem is with this tendency of Muslim writers to pass of faith as fact, which, as a self-appointed writer myself, I feel I have to question. That’s all my blogs reflect. I am no terrorist.


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jj Wednesday, February 7, 2007 8:23:00 PM
swami vivekananda describes fear as a sin.if what venugopal says is true, then i would request all muslim friends who visit this forum to give up their fear psychosis.please do not be afraid to face the truth and face facts.it is a fact that osama bin laden is a devout sunni muslim who is wagain jihad in the name of allah.now when such a point is put forth you immediately react hysterically

jj Wednesday, February 7, 2007 8:26:37 PM
for example when i make a statement "osama bin laden is a sunni muslim is killing kafirs"none of the muslim friends reply precisely and relevantly to the point, they immedaitely go back to the quran ... quote so and so verse from so and so surah ...quote things from the life of prophet etc.......but at the end of the day, the question still remains unanswered, it would be much better, if this quoting frenzy stopped and precise and accurate and rational replies are given.

muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 12:13:28 AM
JJ-I stand by hwat I mentioned and nobody is runnign away. I have that blog of Anil Joshi-in which he and other planned to blow up a mosque and kill 1000 muslims. I can repost it if necessary-BUT like I said-the next bomb that goes off in Malegaon or any Gaon-then that blog is going to go to the CBI ? And let them find out from NDTV if such ablog was posted or not ?

I have no hard feelings towards Venugopal or Infidel or Proud Hindu Or Sage or Anil Joshi Or Jumbo Jumbo or Amit kaushal OR Rashakrishnan Iyyer – and I agree I have answered disparagingly about Baghwan Sri Krishna, Shiva and others BUT it is only meant to make the kAFIRS understand –the anger and frustration that we Muslims undergo when our Prophet of Islam is attacked mercilessly –in films -cartoons- or words in blogs or IN speech !

Let this be the end of such meaningless debates and let us move on to more enlightened thoughts ! BUT I reiterate again- IF I see one blog that bashes Islam-The Prophet OR Muslims- I will give back with that same token and in that same language too !- So please mind what you say !

SO all EDUCATED MUSLIMS – SPEAK UP & HUMAN GODS ,INFIDELS & ISLAM BASHERS_ tone down your Rhetoric!

And Now let Venugopal refute the comments of 22nd December reposted by speed lerner on 26th Dec and again in answer to the original Bajrangi & Terrorist (Gary Kirstens Blog cited above -Not Anil Joshi’s-I am sorry ) on January 11,2007 to which Human called Venugopal a MONKEY ! & Chandrashant wished Makkah would be bombed by F 22’s & Irshad 4U rightly replied to both of them on 23rd January and Sage confirmed that Bajrangis & Sainiks were required to wipe out the Muslims ! And in light of the above Our Vedantist Venugopals Post of 7th February A Kafir terrorist in a Believer's nightmare? Does not justify his claim of innocence.
SO YOU BLOGGERS BE THE JUDGE AND DECIDE IF I AM SPEAKING THE TRUTH OR HAVING NIGHTMARES WITH KAFIRS BLOGS OR AFRAID OF INFIDELS FILTHY LANGUAGE
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muneerudeen Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:43:53 AM
This blog will make sense to the regular bloggers who have been in the loop. Others please wait for the First Part to get posted and then read this part 2/2 so that you get the full picture !Best wishes and thanks for the patience to read.Now please Give your Judgement !
Gandphat Rai Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:51:59 AM
Judgement, my friend is that there is no absolute truth. So everyone be happy in your beliefs. Clerics do not have monopoly on interpretation of scripture. Right wing hindutva merchants are not representative of hinduism, and mullahs issuuing fatwas are only doing Muslims a disservice. Ordinary people should understand this is not about religion, but power and politics.
perfektm Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:43:13 AM
garry kristan who told you that Muslim countries are packing up from west, they establist islamic banking a few days back.. here is the news..www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1898the problem is that transfering money to the wahabi jihadis from now existing bank is getting difficult for our arabian friends... so they are choosing a new type of banking... that run by the wahabis personallly... with no outer distrubance,,,
Infidel Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:52:36 AM
So muneer now you understood what a filthy language is? Good for you.Please do yourself a favour and kindly read all your blogs & comments atleast once with a cool head and decide by yourself who is abusing, cursing, threatening, calling names, impersonating, attacking personally, running after mother, sister, daughter etc, using filthy language, talking nonsense, avoiding replying to questions asked in a decent debate and making irrelevent and offensive comments and remarks, and many more "GREAT THINGS".If you cannot find the answer by yourself ask me, I wont disappoint you in this matter.Calm down and think over it.PS: Don't threaten again, you have written enough filth about other religions and bloggers including me, venu etc. If you apologies as you did earlier, I wont mind. But if you keep on using such filthy language and running after my family, I think, you know me better by now. Just remember that my blog about muhammad is just the beggining and muhammad and islam have very many points to be highlighted which true muslims like you would never like to be exposed. Read, think, understand and then comment back.
perfektm Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:06:48 AM
Oh Muneer, i am missing in all above threads...How come that happen, you ownered be as biggest Islam Basher...anyways what you say bashing is analyzing & questioning... world is liberating now from religious radicalism to humanity centeric intellactual thinking.... wahabi, even your salafis will fail...it just the starting....
K.Venugopal Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:57:42 AM
Dear Muneerka, Can you please tell me what precisely your problem is? What is it that you want remedied? Since you have quoted my blog wherein I denied threatening or supporting violence, what other charges have you against me?