Reply to Muneer's blog: reg Shiv, Krishna etc.

Saturday, February 10, 2007
Reply to muneer's blog : reg shiva, krishna, etc
Dear muneer

It was very unfortunate that you should stoop down to the level of abusing the shiva lingam, shri Krishna etc. This simply shows your ignorance.

But I have been through many experiences in life and one thing I learnt is “don’t be surprised”. When reading the life history of swami Vivekananda, I understood that this was precisely the first lesson that his father had taught him.

So I will not be surprised. One thing that makes me sad is that you stooped down to a level which I did not expect from you.

I would have liked to give a detailed response but I am short of time. Let me make it clear at the outset that Hinduism is a religion of the spirit. Materialistic people will never be able to appreciate the beauty of this faith. Infact there are many people who are hindu by birth but have yet to rise to a higher plane of understanding.

The “lingam” in Sanskrit means “mark”. It is a symbol of male energy. There are two aspects of energy “male” and “female”. This is what the Chinese term as “yin” and “yang”. The DNA of every human has both these components.

The word “yoni” which many westerners have understood to be “vagina” actually means “the path”. It your ignorance of Sanskrit and hindu philosophy that causes you to talk thus. Theology varies from religion to religion.

The hindu believes that he is not the body. He is a spirit. When you meditate for a long duration of time you lose the body conscious. You cross the river of maya. Nowhere have I found fault with islam or any of its teachings.

It is only when muslims indulge in conflict or clash that we are forced to do this. When invited for a discussion in the intellectual or ideological platform, if you choose to indulge in mud slinging that is what you precisely get.

Hinduism lays no claim to superficial perfection. The very goal of life is mukthi or freedom. The goal is not heaven. When you talk of Krishna in that fashion may I also remind you that mohammed fucked a 9 year old girl. Was he not a sex pervert?

In krishna’s rasalila there is no kind of sex. The rasalila is symbolic of a state where you forget that you are a body and dance in ecstasy. It takes a very pure mind to understand the divine love between the gopis and Krishna.

An immature mind can never understand the philosophy of the Vedas. It requires a very calm, curious, very sharp, intelligent and analytical mind to understand them.

The Vedas can only be appreciated by a man who has thrown every preconceived notion and analyses the world and his relation to the cosmos. The Vedas are meant for people who long for true knowledge.

The knowledge of the Upanishads can not be understood casually by people who are more preoccupied by their everyday needs of food, money, sex etc. In ancient india material advancement had reached a very high state. India was the richest country in the world and its people were rolling in wealth.

This saturation with materialism led thinkers and sages to go beyond what they knew. “Is this all? Is man then a slave to be born, reproduce and die? It was then that the hindu mind plunged into self analysis and thus was born the Upanishads and shashtras.

People of a mediocre fabric can never understand Krishna or rama or shiva or anything related to sanathan dharma.
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muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:14:52 AM
You-as a Hindu understand the Upanishads & Santhana Dharma-BUT why cannot I understand ISLAM ?? Should I learn about Islam from people like Infidel-who has a preconceived notion that the Qur'an was revealed in a cave-?So if you forget the basics of religion-you understand nothing even if you are of superfine material and not a mediocre person !
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:20:21 AM
Shiv's Lingam is Just that And Krishna's Gopikas are just that. You cannot ascribe just energy to it and forget the material facts before you. If that is the case-why dont you accept the beleif that an Angel revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet. Why double standards-when it comes to your way of thinking ?
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:38:05 AM
And just because you are an ordinary human being-it does not mean that you cannot understand the Qur'an and its spirit and the Creator ! As for Ram Lila and Krishna Gopika-I understand only that much and I have no interest in learning ANY MORE ! If you understood Arabic and the revealation of the Quran-when -why and for what _ Then you will not have such questions about the Prophet OR ISLAM !
jj Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:47:54 AM
i am not arguing with you from a religious point of view at all.my argument is based on science or rationality.for example if tomorrow my religion was to instruct me to do something against my conviction, i shall have no problem in rejecting my religion. i have this freedom to disagree in hinduism.hinduism does not have the concept of halal and haram. that is why i say you cannot attribute the trait of a religion to it. it is a huge ocean that is watered by many rivers
jj Saturday, February 10, 2007 1:56:36 AM
i dont want any hindu to become a musalman nor any muslim to become a hindu.let each one be a better person and the world will automatically be a better place to live.the problem comes only when people start abusing each other.
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:02:17 AM
When hindusim does not have the concept of right and wrong or halal and haraam -then how do you rationalize.What is the yardstick !
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:03:43 AM
JJ So shiva and Krishna are science-The whole blog full of Vedic terms is science and how do you rationalize the filth you have written about the Prophet
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:14:13 AM
I am a bast ard and my father is also bas tard my mother is a wh ore and i am a pimp of my wife and daughter anybody can come and fukc them
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:24:34 AM
Jj And dont tell me tha t you dont even know what you have written in your own blog .Or that some impersonator wrote that blog for you. Like Venu & Infidel-they disown their writing- Maybe your blog too was not written by you since your comments do not tally with the subject above.Religion !
hang on Saturday, February 10, 2007 2:34:50 AM
religion is a waste of time.
jj Saturday, February 10, 2007 3:12:46 AM
north pole and south pole can never become one and the same.you cannot use your islamic yardstick to measure hinduism. the blog was written by me. hindu dharma stands upon track record from a global perspective.
jj Saturday, February 10, 2007 4:29:01 AM
it would make a lot of sense if you responded to infidel's points that you have been evading. i am not aware of the quran and i do not know if it is the word of god.i can only speak about my dharma. I am not inclined to a comparitive analysis. i can do a comparitive analysis of what islam and hinduism have done to the worldwhat islam has done to the world, its bloody conquest, the islamic savagery etc on one hand ---- and the peace loving nature of the hindus, who never invaded any country, who never brought down the dignty of man.I am not in a position to compare the scriptures and going back to history. that is not my job. Anyway be good and do good. god bless you
muneerudeen Saturday, February 10, 2007 6:03:29 AM
jj, i fully agree with you. first listen my sad storyi fukced many girls when i was young hindu but one day i fukced a girl who happened to be a muslim who re her father and brothers forced me to marry her and converted me to muslim by cuting my pen they also told me to be a true muslim otherwise they kill me i have to behave like that else they will kill me i know islam is false but i have to act as a pimp for my wife and my daughters for life and food
K.Venugopal Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:31:20 AM
Dear Muneerka, You say, "You-as a Hindu understand the Upanishads & Santhana Dharma-BUT why cannot I understand ISLAM??" This is the whole point. The Hindu culture allows you to understand and practice Islam and whichever religion you want. But does the Islamic culture allow it? By saying that it alone is the true religion and God's last word is contained in the Quran, it allows for no options other than Islam.
K.Venugopal Saturday, February 10, 2007 10:51:43 AM
Dear Muneerka, When you say, “Shiv's lingam is just that and Krishna's Gopikas are just that. You cannot ascribe just energy to it and forget the material facts before you”, you are missing the point that Hindu culture permits free interpretation of its scriptures and phenomenon so long as the essence is not misinterpreted. Again, when you say, “If that is the case, why don’t you accept the belief that an angel revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet”, you are denying that Hinduism accepts that there are many paths to God and everyone is free to believe or disbelieve as they want. This not the case with Islam, where you have an official version and anything else is a deviation and work of apostates. No one is objecting to your practicing Islam. Only the danger of “my religion the only true religion” mindset is sought to be warned against.
K.Venugopal Saturday, February 10, 2007 11:12:37 AM
Dear Muneerka, Your statement:“And just because you are an ordinary human being-it does not mean that you cannot understand the Qur'an and its spirit and the Creator ! As for Ram Lila and Krishna Gopika-I understand only that much and I have no interest in learning ANY MORE ! If you understood Arabic and the revelation of the Quran-when -why and for what _ Then you will not have such questions about the Prophet OR ISLAM !” is acceptable. Leave everyone to evaluate and decide for themselves what they want to do with their religion – whether to accept it or reject it or pursue it further or whatever. This is the Hindu spirit. But in Islam you have no choice. Once you are in Islam you cannot leave it and those who are not in it are said to be on the wrong path. Is this a sensible position? This is all that I am questioning. Accept that Islam is just one of the many religions in the world and who would have a quarrel with it? Instead you maintain that Islam is the only true religion and Quran is the last word of God. This is the whole problem.
K.Venugopal Saturday, February 10, 2007 12:12:08 PM
Dear Muneerka,Your question, “When Hinduism does not have the concept of right and wrong or halal and haraam -then how do you rationalize? What is the yardstick!” is meaningless. The entire teaching of Hinduism can be reduced to just two words – Dharma and Yoga – harmony and self-realization. Anything that transgresses Dharma (harmony) is wrong and everything that upholds Dharma is right. Thus it is principles that guide what is right and wrong in Hinduism whereas in Islam it is the laws of Shariat, which, for example, calls for death to a person who does not accept Islam.