A world without Islam - Part 4

Thursday, November 30, 2006 A World Without Islam - Part 4 A muslim way to refute the facts: Whenever you criticize anything related to islam, allah, muhammad, sharia laws or muslim community, you will find a refutation immediately. To refute something is ok but the way muslims refute is funny. Here are some most common ways of a muslim-refute, the order may change depending upon your and muslim’s caliber: First of all, muslims will say, “This is false information”, “This is a lie”. Whatever you say is wrong and whatever they say is only right. Next step is Taqqiya. Ex. “Islam means peace”, “Islam was spread by sword of love”, “No compulsion in religion”, If you quote from Koran or hadith, you will be accused of quoting verses in bits and pieces And be prepared for accusation that the verses you quoted are twisted and out of context If you provide reference to your quote, then muslims will say “All your references are false and lies”, which implies only their references are true and correct. You will be advised as “read koran first and you will get light” If you say you have already read it then they will doubt you as if you are a liar. If you quote full verses (not bits & pieces) from koran and hadith, your translation is incorrect / misleading. Then you will be advised to learn Arabic and read original version If you say, I read the same Koran with most authentic translations, which muslims are referring to, then you will be asked “did you read only the cover?”, “read it with open mind” (read closed mind, as a muslim reads by keeping brain aside) Besides your reading of translated Koran or even though you know arabic, if you quote Koran, they quote hadith, tafseer etc, if you quote hadith, then they will say only Koran is authentic. After all this, you are still willing to continue, they will distract you and other readers from original issue/topic and feed plenty of irrelevant issues. You are still sticking to the original issue, muslim will refer your / other religions’ scriptures like Bible, Torah, Vedas, Geeta etc and other events and personnels like Bush, Blair, Indira Gandhi, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine etc. Get ready all the time for one or more muslims showing their way of convincing “Copy & paste stuff or reference from crap Islamic sites”. This includes verses from Koran & hadith, twisted facts from non islamic holy scriptures like mohammad is prophesized in all of them. In this connection, one or more muslims will write about Miracles in Koran. Remember that whatever is discovered in recent time, Muslims will attribute it to Koran, but they will keep quite till it is discovered. They will never say about the fallacies in Koran like “Sky is a dome on imaginary pillars”, “Sun sets in mud”, “sun revolving around the earth” etc. If you draw their attention to these fallacies, they will copy and paste crap again which is totally illogical and irrational. You will be again advised to read Koran. You are about to loose your patience but still continuing, then comes personal attack. You will be abused as fool, stupid, idiot, pig, dog etc If that does not work, then there will be accusation of taking money for your criticism of islam. You may get this also “Western media is biased, its propaganda to defame islam, islam is wronged by all non muslims” etc. Even than if you are not stopping, then muslims will run for you mother and sister You are stubborn and still want to continue, you will be cursed like “burn in hell, you will repent on last day, still time to seek the truth” etc Towards the end, when all above ways are failed, you will be threatened directly like “beware, watch it, keep cool, my sincere advice” or indirectly like “give me your email id, don’t hide behind false name, you are a coward (since you have false id on net), and lastly invitation to go to debate one to one or visit mosques or Islamic centers like Islamic Research Foundation in person” etc. And finally, its compulsory for muslims “Drum beating as if they won a debate, even when they lose miserably”, because Koran is word of allah. LOL. Since Koran is allah’s word and is clear to understand and is for all man kind, for all time and for all places, why there are hadiths, tafseers and commentaries? Why various sects of islam and clerics are understanding it differently, while Koran is very clear and for all to understand? Why some verses are for a particular time i.e. 1400 years ago and Arabic peninsula only, while Koran is for all time, for all places and for all mankind? Why there is Abrogation, later verses of the Koran supersede earlier ones? Was allah not able to reveal it at first time or did he change his mind time to time to suite muhammad’s needs? Why islam, being the only true religion, not able to be in majority, leave alone only religion, on the face of this earth, even after more than 1400 years past when revealed to muhammad? There are many more questions but I leave them for next time. 8:24:06 AM Posted By Infidel M Comments (6) Musings Comments The Mirror Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:38:21 AM hey u are blaming Islam for criticising other religions. Mr infidel what are u doing now? But I still appreciate ur interest in Islam. Religion is a matter of choice and very personal to an individual. so stop interfering in personal issues. U have faith or u dont but stop interfering in others faith and belief... Guru Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:23:48 AM This infidelM has cought by ISLAMOPHOBIA.. Is ke dimagh par sirf ISLAM hi chaya hua hai.. ADHJAL GAGRI CHALKAT JAYE....Abe ULLU KI DUM, Nobody can twist Islam to suit his need, To get the information from Quraan, Hadth or Tafseer, there is a science behind that. And even being a Muslim i can not do, how you can interprate Islam. ABE NA-SAMAJH , There are Courses available to be an ALIM, you need to study for more then 10 years to be an Alim..AUR HAMARE IS BHAI IFEDIL M KO DEKHO, 4-5 Anti Islamic website se text copy karta hai aur yaha paste kar deta hai.. KHAMKHA hamar bhi time waste karta hai aur apna bhi..ABE KOI ACHCHA KAAM KARLE JO TERE KAAM AAYE.. Learner Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:37:27 PM Dear Guru you are great. the way you have answered infidel is lovely. grumpy Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:40:31 PM The lessons are not learnt by the Islampologists.. are they? infidel Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:45:45 PM Dear readers,you can see Mr guru is using "personal attack" tactics, point # 15 as above. LOLMr Guru, Don't waste your time by reading such blogs. Nobody compelled you to do so. And please don't show your upbringing by using such language.When quaran is word of allah and very clear, why one need to learn 10 years to know the science behind it. Or 10 years required for brainwashing, I thought it starts with birth in muslims. Isn't koran supposed to be simple and easy to understand as it is for all man kind? Why it is so difficult for muslims like you, leave alone non muslims, to understand it?To understand something, one needs common sense, open mind and rational thinking, which you muslims don't have. You people can not think beyond koran and islam, so keep your knowledge to yourself. K.Venugopal Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:36:47 PM Dear Infidel M, You are amazing, you are perspicacious, you are a great observer and you’ve hit the nail right on the head. Your blog is a superb piece of literature. You are no infidel, you are a proper prophet! Awaiting your next dose of enlightenment.