Creator and creation are definitely distinct

Saturday, December 23, 2006 Creator and creation are definitely distinct.. Human beings are called Jeev Athma (Soul with body) while the Creator is called Param Athma (Supreme Soul). They are definitely and unarguably distinct. Following are a few logics with which this is to be understood. Bharath (old name of India) is supposed to be the most ancient country with oldest of civilizations, people, culture etc. We have always been familiar with ATHMA (soul). Whenever anyone dies, we hear sayings like, " May his soul rest in peace", "he went to Heaven", "he went to the Supreme Abode", "God has called him back", "he has gone to rest at the Lotus Feet of the Lord" etc. It is never said that the dead person has become part of the Supreme Soul or Creator or Supreme Consciousness. It is said of elevated souls like Buddha, Mahavir that they attained nirvana. Nirvana means without speech or beyond speech. It can only be interpreted that they went to place where souls do not have a body and hence cannot talk like us. It cannot be said that they merged with God. We hear terms like "Paapathma" (sinful soul), "Punyathma" (holy soul), "Devathma" (divine soul", "Mahathma" (great soul), but never in the multitude of mind boggling literature and scriptures does one come across words like "Paap Paramathma", "Punya Paramathma", "Mahan Paramathma" etc. This makes clear about the understanding of the oldest civilization that athma (creation) and Param Athma (Creator) are distinct and Param Athma does not have qualities similar to those of souls. Shankaracharyas are credited with rich discourses on philosophy. They have a tradition of Matt which is continuing over several centuries. The Paramacharya who headed the Kancheepuram peetam upto a few years back was such a non-controversial and totally pure and elevated soul. The next two have for the last few years / months been embroiled in so much of controversy relating to criminal matters. It is clear that even such elevated souls are not the same, leave alone being same as Param Athma. Souls being the same as or being integral part of one Supreme Soul (known as advaita principle) is detrimental to the spiritual progress of human beings. One will never make any attempts to think, speak and do elevated things if he feels that he is creator as well as creation. The principle of non-duality leads to specious arguments such as the one I heard in a film some years back, in which the villain tells the hero that just as the God in the hero is directing him along a good path, the God within the villain is leading him on the condemned path. God is not IN us, HE is WITH us. He is not to be feared, He is to be respected and loved just as we love our worldly parents. In western countries they refer to Him as God Father, in Hindu tradition He is called out as "Mother and Father" (Thum hi ho matha, thum hi pitha ho). Parent can never be child, parent will definitely be with the child and wish the child's progress and prosperity. Let us realize this and make honest, diligent and determined efforts to elevate ourselves to become divine beings. Practice of divine qualities will make us into elevated deities, not God. 3:19:48 PM Posted By S. Chakradhaari Comments (2) Musings Comments hyspirit Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:09:22 PM Nirvana means MOKHSA OR MUKTHI MEANING AS STATE OF HAVING EVERY THING BUT NO DESIRE TO HAVE IT, A STATE OF NO REBIRTH, A STATE OF IMMORTALITY - A TOTALLY LIBERATED SOUL FROM THE BONDAGE OF KARMA. SUCH SOULD CAN PERFORM CERTAIN ACTS OF GOD BUT NOT EQUAL TO GOD.HOWEVER IF SUCH SOUL WISH TO TAKE REBIRTH CAN DO SO ONLY TO ENLIGHTEN THE GLORY OF GOD AND IMPART THE SAME TO BORKEN SOULD LIVING ON THE EARTHLY PLANET. LIKE SHANKARA CHARYA, GURUNANAK, MOHAMED, JESUS, TULSI DAS,PARAMAHASA...LIST GOES ON.THE LIBERATED SOULS THOUGH LIVE ON THE EARTH BUT LIVE WITHOUT ATTACHMENT TO KARMA - A STATE OF JEEVAN MUKTHI. AS YOU SEE THE DROPLET OF WATER THOUGH RESTING ON LOUTS LEAF, RESTS WITH OUT ATTACHING TO THE LEAF. FOR KARMA BOUND PERSON IT LOOKS LIKE LEAF IS SUPPORTING TO DROPLET, FOR A LEBERATED SOUL IT LOOKS THAT THE DORPLET IS RESTING ON THE LEAF. IF ANY ONE IS DISTURBED THE DROPLET(SOUL) SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY MERGE IN TH WATER SURROUNDING IN THE POOL(SOUL MERGE WITH THE GOD. K.Venugopal Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:19:23 PM Even in Vedantic Dvaita, where God is seen as separate from his creation, the Advaitic influence turns the dvaitic into a bhakta, where the bhakta has a relationship of kinship with God. Without the Advaitic influence, Islam does not move a Muslim to a relationship with God beyond that of master and slave. Except among the Sufis, the relationship of a Muslim to God is about loyalty and not love. At the coarser level, the skin is different from the blood and blood from the bones, but still we are able to experience ourselves as a single person. That is, the finer our consciousness, the more we see the oneness of it all. It is in man to reach the finest levels of consciousness where he sees no difference between him and God, so say the masters of spirituality, from Adi Shankara to Ramanna Maharshi – Tat Tvam Asi.