Right to exist

Right to exist - Does it depend on the charity of some Fanatics. First and foremost , None of you Muslim ,Fanatic, Extremist ,terrorists have any right in saying that all non beleivers are infidels.Even your bloody creator has no business making such statements.Who are you to decide on what religion we need to follow.Are you the only persons entitled to have an opinion.WE ARE LIVING NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR Charity / BENOVOLENCE BUT IN SPITE OF YOU.All Muslims who say that all non followers of Islam are Infidels deserve to be called Fanatics and Terrorists.Your creator also falls in the same category.Let me state with utmost sincereity that iam not a Islam Basher.I do have a lot of Muslim friends and respect their views.But having an condensing attitude towards other religions is not healthy and indicates MOB mentality.Dont try to put down other religions.Keep your faith and your beliefs within the confines of your residence and at the mosques.How can you all utter all this NONSENSE in public in this age .It only conveys that all of you have an attitude problem and you do not respect the views of others.Trying to justify some thing is more dangerous and stupid and that is what the Followers of terrorism seem to do.Since criticism is not tolerated by these Fanatics they resort to justification and illogical reasoning.Today TERRORISM is equated with ISLAM and for that only ALLAH is to blame. When u try to defend ur religion why do u guys always try to prove that Islam is the only religion in the world which is peaceful , cares for women and children , is progressive etc.,What is your intention.Surely by now 99 % of the whole world population knows what the religion stands for.Why try to show u r love for the book in such a manner.This hypocracy must end and people like you cannot just blame individuals for the same.It is time to look into the reasons for people all over the world to hate the religion which is backward , regressive , encourages voilence , promotes bigamy , population explosion etc., A lot of Muslims have commented that : 1. Who r these jihadis u talk about? Osama, Hizb, Jaish etc who r they? Who created them? They are not muslims as what they do is against the basic and true teaching of Islam. They were Created by the Muslim Parents and were financed by muslim businessmen and other islamicts.Why should we the ordinary citizens suffer now.It is the easiest thing to disassociate yourself when ever it suits you.Osama and others are born Muslims ( born to muslim parents ) continue to be muslims and will die as Muslims.Just by you or others stating that he is not a muslim does not solve the issue.In the same manner Jews / Christians / Hindus will disassociate themselves from the acts committed by persons of the same religion.You accuse Jews of various acts , can they also use your logic and say that the persons accused are not JEWS.YOU should never forget that 99 % of all MUSLIM terrorists and others who support terrorists listen to what these religious bigots say.These are telecast only in Arabic countries and on Channels which support the cause.So is it not the fact that all viewers who get influenced by these guys are also only MUSLIMS. The problem with muslims is that you are cowards. You are scared to accept the truth and the reality that your religion just like other religions like HINDUISM , CHRISTIANITY ,BUDDISM SIKHISM etc., is FLAWED .But while the others accept the shortcomings you refuse to do so.You operate with a closed mindset which was in existense in the stone age . You dont want to change in tune with the times.The world does not revolve around ALLAH. It is time Muslims accepted this. 2.The issue of origin of life, amoeba, the big bang theory, and the world being a gaseous mass, all is already stated in the Quran.It is time you guys learnt about science and the discoveries. 90 % of Medicinal cures for diseases has been invented by men of honour and surely not due to some secret passed on to them in the dreams by allah.Dont try to belittle the contibrution of scientists .Iam sure the Muslim population would have been only Half of what it is today due to Medicines .If your creator was such a great guy why did he not reveal the nucleur technology.Why is that Muslims today in various countries STEAL this technology.ALLAH has not mentioned about BOMBS AK 47/56 etc.,but all muslims use them to targer innocent fellow human beingsOnly allah knows everything .Cock and bull story.What about all events likely to happen why did he not predict the Tower Bombings or the iran iraq war or about your nemisis bush. So what about lesser mortals who are not born to muslim parents.Is it our fault. So is the solution Conversion .Are only Muslims enttled to call other infidels.Cant we call you INHUMAN or PIGS .Most muslims have several children ??? Why has allah not commented on Population exposion,poverty in Muslim families due to multiple children etc.in his teachings.,If your creator had the hindsight to reflect all these HE must also must have stated that rogues and fanatics like osama , Musharaf,syed salauddin,saddam etc.,will exist in the religion and it is the duty of others to kill him and not support him.Most of the MUSLIMs support these terrorist scums and provide shelter starting from MUSHARAF.You can quote selectively from your religious book to prove its greatness.Iam sure other books might also contain some other matters which are relevant today.Just because it spoke of these issues earlier ( subject to scrutiny ) your Koran does not become the one and ultimate book in life.By trying to intrepet the evil and bad things mentioned in a different manner you are trying to deflect the issue.The TRUTH and the absolute TRUTH is the Koran also has a long list of disgusting references. 3.Some of the pagans accepted Islam while others were honourably escorted out of the city and were free to practice their own religions and beliefs..............YOUR NARROW RELIGIOUS mindset unfortunately gets exposed here.Who the HELL are you and YOUR CREATOR to label others as pagans.What is your worth in commenting on such a issue. 4.There is no god worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (peace be on him) is His messenger. This declaration of faith is called the Shahadah, a simple formula.By saying there is no GOD but ALLAH was not the creator trying to divide society and impose his views on others.By believing all this you Muslims now terrorise the World stating what ALLAH said is supreme.It showed his mentality and narrow mindedness .He deserved to be flogged for making such a statement.People belong to different faiths by birth and each one entitled to their beliefs.Trying to say that only ONE religion is supreme smacks of arrogance and hypocracy of the worst kind.The fact is that ISLAM is just one of the religions .You cannot bulldoze others to accept your point .You keep ur religious beliefs personal and at home.So what is being coveyed people of non islamist countires abandon their parents.So mass conversion is the solution ????Trying to influence others in public forum indicates that you are on a weak wicket. I may be a born Hindu but detest and hate any person/organisation which states that only their religion offers salvation or peace or security.I also hate all human beings ( mostly MUSLIMS ) who always say :I have acheived all this Due to ALLAH's grace .99 % of MUSLIM celebreties /stars / sportsmen all over the World ( In India third rate stars like Aamir Khan / Salman Khan / Shah rukh Khan ) use this dirty word in public . In case u are secular you are supposed to say : It is all due to grace of GOD . Not ALLAH or JESUS or GANAPATHI or SHIVA etc., F Y I Iam a ATHEIST 10:23:38 AM Posted By ashram a Comments (44) Society Comments Guru Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:39:12 AM Mr ATHIEST.. Can you read other blogs where almost everybody is BASHING ISLAM by quoting Quraan in wrong way. Nobody is trying to influence, this post was the reply of other post. OKAY keep religion at ur home then why the hell people writing against Islam here.. You see the history of BLOGS at NDTV, 90% of religous BLOGS are against ISLAM. Ofcourse Muslim will try to explain the things if others are spreading false information about Quraan and Islam.. K.Venugopal Thursday, November 30, 2006 11:46:51 AM Dear Ashram, Your submissions are very logical and forceful. I fully agree with them. Everyone, theists, atheists and whoever you have, should all have their sacred spaces of belief/disbelief. Live and let live - this aught to be the cardinal principal in social matters. Hinduism, though full of caste discriminations and all that, has the underlying Advaitic vision of total freedom, which is its saving grace as well as maybe the world's. Kalpana Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:04:49 PM For people like you Allah says..Try to show them truth..if they don't listen then say them..Quran Surah Kafirun verse 6“To you be your Way and to me mine. “ ...that is what yesterday you asked me where is it written "Live and let live" in Quran...And yes You were asking me about Koran and Quran...K and Q in Arabic makes lots of diffrence...Anyways if you still wants to keep calling it koran ...never mind...carry on..The more you will spread hatred the more people will come to ISLAM. So please don't stop your work of spreading ISLAM.. Kalpana Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:05:04 PM Mr Infidel,For people like you Allah says..Try to show them truth..if they don't listen then say them..Quran Surah Kafirun verse 6“To you be your Way and to me mine. “ ...that is what yesterday you asked me where is it written "Live and let live" in Quran...And yes You were asking me about Koran and Quran...K and Q in Arabic makes lots of diffrence...Anyways if you still wants to keep calling it koran ...never mind...carry on..The more you will spread hatred the more people will come to ISLAM. So please don't stop your work of spreading ISLAM.. ashram Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:10:41 PM Please reply to the matters reflected here .Dont try to deflect the issue as others do.And for the sake of your creator start using you own names.Posting in the name of Kalpana/guru does not help.Be courageous and act like one.Dont be cowards.Face the truth. Kalpana Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:19:41 PM This is not my fake name this is my real name...KALPANA ...I accepted islam 6 years back...and did not change my original name..This shows i am not a coward..rather u guys are and thats why using name like infidel... krish Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:29:33 PM Converts always try to proove more faithful than the originals.A fake is a fake by whatever name u call. Kalpana Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:03:53 PM Mr ATHEIST or Mr InfidelWith reference to your 1st question...Every religion you will find black sheeps… that doesn't mean they symbolize Your religion..in the same way..you cannot take Osma...etc as an Symbols of Muslims...if one mango is rotten that doesn't mean you will say all mangos are rotten... vijay Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:08:40 PM well!!! actually, we are not refering to one rotten mango here... we are refering to a complete basket of rotten mangoes. a few good ones may still be there however. Kalpana Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:29:03 PM Turn it whatever way you want and try to spread more and more hatred towards ISLAM..Result will be...more and more people coming to ISLAM..Try your level best..and please don't stop your so call spreading hatred...Its indirectly leading people to ISLAM vijay Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:37:13 PM nobody hates islam. there is nothing wrong with islam... the problem is muslims. the only danger islam has in this world is from muslims. Kalpana Thursday, November 30, 2006 2:41:45 PM Believe me brother your under wrong impression..You guys are simply hearing what media says...And helds your opinion based on newspapers..TV...etc..And says its Muslims...Its not muslims...Muslims are more peace loving and humble people...But i do agree upon some people on earth do carry mischiefs...As i said black sheeps are in all religions...And you cannot help it.. vande_Matram Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:15:30 PM Bhaiyya, baaki sab kuchh thik--magar hum bhi pichhle 3 mahine se sasura yeh blogs pe nazar rakhe hue hain. Guru bhaiyya, Kalpana Didi thik farma rahe aur yeh baat hamaare bheje mein nahin ghusat ki 90% bloggers kaahe anti-islaam hai. Saura sab jagah yehi charcha wa--sab ka sab islam ko hi blame kar raha AATANKBAAD ke liye. KAHE BHAI ? Woh gaana suna hai na---"Dhapli waleeeee--- dhapli baja--Mere Ghungroo---" Nahin toh bhaiyya Jaiho--jaiho--jaiho--KALPANA DIDI ki--naam nahin badla--Toh kya badla? Guru Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:13:20 PM OYE BEY ASHRAM...I m not hiding my identity....I already told I M MUSLIM.. ALHAMDO LILLAH.. ALLAH KA KARAM HAI KI MAI MUSLIM HOO.. Kalpana Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:20:55 PM GURUStay cool brother , Do u need to tell them ur Muslim...Do u need to give any explanation of What u are..Just ignore this kind of claims...and cotinue only on topics which u feel is important for them to know.. perfektm Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:52:05 PM Kalpana,In childhood, i had seen Arabic nights... and Muslim around in my city also had placed a Fuss in public .. that Islam is Religion of Peace...we all know Advertisement works.. as a child, i thought perhaps nice babes, free life and enjoyment, belly dance and peaceful evening around camping fire... this is islamic tradition.... was definately too nice!! it has attracted me to, to find a bit more of the Islamic camp.. & belly dance culture... but what i find out is,belly dance was human discrimination from people taken into slavery, there was nothing like open minded girls or any such concept, which were free to celebrate and dance across camping fire. it was all ugly thrust of Sheiks... which are also drinking from hyderabadi bowl....there is no peace, instead you will find belly dancing on a rope... as Muslim cut and hand them.....really Nice Swing, nice dance, nice peace as well as Extremely nice Submission ... calpings for kalpana thanks for your contribution in Al taqiyya.... we are thankful for your act... kalpana... don't make kalpana, come in real world-- psycho Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:17:11 PM u showed ur true colours man...A SEX PERVERT....maybe ask the ladies in ur family to have a belly dance and put that clip on the blogs so that everyone can enjoy! human Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:38:53 PM You are a real SICK GUY out there! Better get some immediate medical attention! jkeshav Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:46:40 PM EVERY RELIGION MAJOR OR MINOR HAS A GOOD MESSAGE TO MANKIND..THEY ARE LIKE THE MUSICAL NOTES..IF THEY ARE PLAYED & UNDERSTOOD THEY WILL BE HARMONY..SAME WITH THE RELIGIONS..I SEE THAT THE HEAD-BASHING TACTICS WILL GET US NOWHERE ULTIMATELY...LET SANITY PREVAIL..RELIGIOUS TEXTS WHICH LOOK DEEP INTO THE HUMAN SOUL ARE MAN-MADE WITH THE STAMP OF THE 3LETTER WORD 'GOD' PUT ON IT... Infidel Friday, December 1, 2006 12:22:24 AM Ashram,Excellent blog. I appreciate. You can see, nobody is trying to discuss the points you mentioned in the above blog.All they can do is personal attack by abusing or quoting verses from koran. These tactics are discussed in my blog "A muslim way to refute the facts".Really funny. rinni_enjoy Friday, December 1, 2006 1:20:18 AM finally a secularist's point of view about religion...i liked this blog...but its not only muslims who claim superiority of their religion babuds Friday, December 1, 2006 2:35:07 AM Man evolved from chimps and no God, Allah, or Brahma created them. (All religious bigots better read Darwins evolution. Or brush up your school science books). When the early man was against the odds of nature he feared all natural forces around him. The trees, wild animals, Thunder, lightning, the wind and the rain. This fear slowly turned into respect. This was the beginning of a primitive religion called paganism. By far this is the best religion as the paganist early man had many gods to be worshipped like the wind, trees, animals, rivers, fire, rain etc. Atleast this pagan religion was environmental friendly - meaning they worshipped natural elements even though fear was the basis of their religion. As mankind evolved some primitive thinkers among them found the need to control the savagery and the need for an order. This was the basis for early religions after the paganism. Each tribe geographically separated had evolved on their own certain rules of conduct and behaviour, which later came to be called as religion. However If somebody has to follow the rules the fear of god need to be put into him literally. So god had to be invented at this stage of early human development. Different tribes have invented their own brand of gods and definitely after them, mostly in human form. The next stage of the religion was to make it as a tool to rule over people. These tribes used to fight each other and the winners enforced their brand of religion over the losing tribe. In a later stage religion has become a tool of exploitation. In order to silence the Doubting Thomases, who were always there, then and now, the exploiters have to abstract god and religion to a certain sophistication - Such as dont ask me to show God- He is formless- He is all pevasive- you fool you can feel him everywhere especially in your mind and heart, etc., etc. (contd-) babuds Friday, December 1, 2006 2:35:45 AM (contd-)When simply ordering the subjects to follow the religion was not found enough wholy books have to be invented and scholars appointed to write such holy books, so that by then they have found the power of word to be better than that of a sword, to perpetuate theirown brand of religion eternally so that the ruling clan can continue to rule over the brainwashed subjects for generations. when clans have gone rulers became extinct species and democracies came religions are still surviving through institutions. Religion(s) has already outlived its original purpose and is proving itself to be counterproductive. As Samuel Huntington has put it in his Clash of Civilizations the next world war will not be on trading rights, oil, etc, but purely based on religions and bigotry. I am waiting for the day when all religions are exterminated from the face of the earth, because it is now an appendage of evolution and it is a drag on resources, especially in developing countries like ours. perfektm Friday, December 1, 2006 2:52:01 AM psyco...thanks for saying that words...do you know, you are nothing more then a bookworm... try to logically analyse my message....main theme in my message is "Evil lies in eyes.. in Action, not in clothings." at least i respect women, i will not support any thinking which say they are Meat.i hope next time, before looking at any girl.. you will think 10 times... instead of just saying koranic words that womens are source of evil....what ever, i think you still need a lot of time to understand human values... Learner Friday, December 1, 2006 10:25:16 AM once again Ashram a you are taking muslim names, why dont you take the name of Govinda the film actor who always thank mataa rani for his success. this attitude of your's goes to show how communal feeling you have against the muslims. if you are an atheist and claim to be secular then why are you sticking to muslim names.There are many politicians who thanks their god and goddesses. If you are secular then name them na yaar Learner Friday, December 1, 2006 10:29:38 AM Ashram a read my post "Answer to Ashram a(Updated)" Hope you would give a thought to the things toward which i have pointed. vijay Friday, December 1, 2006 10:36:22 AM Go thru the evolution of Humans in science journals. Although, you may not be satisfied and end up asking who created the first Amoeba on earth... still that is more beleivable than imagining things written in any book. And remember, it is not only Islamic book that claims GOD / ALLAH / ISHWAR created the first MAN. ashram Friday, December 1, 2006 10:38:29 AM All diversion tactics used.just because i do not believe in GOD does not make be ineligible to raise valid issues.This reflects your mob mentality and closed mindset.Everyone irrespecive of his religion who thanks his/her Personal Favourite GOD in public is a Hypocrat and a BIGOT.Got it. Learner Friday, December 1, 2006 10:40:19 AM You have written "You can quote selectively from your religious book to prove its greatness.Iam sure other books might also contain some other matters which are relevant today." I ask you why not, bring other books we are ready to see them and the matters which are there in those books which are relevant today, but nobody is bringing it and are busy in bashing Islam. they dont have any free time time to do that. They are preoccupied with the bashing of Islam, Muslims and the Prophet. perfektm Friday, December 1, 2006 10:42:03 AM Ape and Schwein... will you accept yourself in this category... i mean, Quran says Jews are Apes and Pigs... not Muslim's.... Behold the word of Allah's Muslims...../puuuuuuh ashram Friday, December 1, 2006 10:48:42 AM LEARNER : SELF CENTERED ISLAMIST.I will come to that point .But since your creator ALLAH had the foresight to predict scientic discoveries why did he not mention the Nucleur technology /Arms Technology.Why did he not provide certain facilities to muslim countries Why are u guys stealing the technology.Has your creator asked you to steal.So is your book encouraging Robbery.Is that what he wanted. RSMani Friday, December 1, 2006 10:52:07 AM My views are clear - religions were established to improve the quality of human life but they are achieving exactly the opposite. Everyone is proud of his religion and arguments and debates can never be conclusive. One can criticise individuals for their actions, not religions. Every religious scripture is work of human beings and not God, therefore there will be imperfections and errors. We will do well to think of ways and means of bringing harmony, love, cooperation, friendship amongst all rather than criticise and fight. IT IS HIGH TIME NDTV PUT A FULL STOP TO ALL RELIGION BASED BLOGS. sam Friday, December 1, 2006 10:59:19 AM Dear sirIn my opinion Muslims are in dark well. Prophet mohhamed has put islam as cartain in front of follower and allmighty allha(god). They does not want to see the strength of almighty. In other way they they does not want to come out of that well. They are so frightend they are not able to think out of islam. This is the main problem with muslims proudhindu Friday, December 1, 2006 11:01:29 AM My only question to any body who care to answer.If ISLAM is so peaceful and muslims the "most humble and enlightened"then why are they fighting with every body where ever they are in "minotiy" and among themselves where ever they are in "majotity"? Learner Friday, December 1, 2006 2:19:57 PM Ok Ashram tell one more thing do you believe in rotation and revolution of earth? And do you know what happens when the earth rotates and revolves. The days and nights happens due to rotation and season changes due to revolution. You tell me one thing dear who is spinning the earth and revolving it around the sun.You and me aren't doing for sure nor anybody who is living on this earth is capable of doing it. and as you may be aware of Newtons theory which states " a things continues to remain in a state untill and unless a force is acted upon."and one more thing the speed with which earth used to revolve is slowly slowing down, who is doing all this, you and me or is there any power who is responsible for it. Learner Friday, December 1, 2006 3:09:46 PM You are objecting for mere word like pagan.Here is a the dictionary meaning of the word "pagan" is . 1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks. 2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim. 3. an irreligious or hedonistic person. So what is wrong in this word.Is this an abusive word, NO dear this reflects your mob mentality and closed mindset. Learner Friday, December 1, 2006 3:19:03 PM Here is the dictionary meaning of the word "Infidel"1. Religion.a. a person who does not accept a particular faith, esp. Christianity. b. (in Christian use) an unbeliever, esp. a Muslim. 2. a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever. 3. (loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic. so what is wrong in this word does it sound abusive, Even christians tells muslims infidel then shall they take it in an abusive manner.NO dear the word is not abusive. Grow up come out of the closed mindset.and lastly i would like to tell that muslims did not coined these words. These words existed before the Arrival of the Prophet. Guru Friday, December 1, 2006 3:39:56 PM ABE GADHE perfektm , Hamare yaha to DANCE karna hi mana hai, tu yeh kaun se belly dance ki baat kar raha hai. Yeh to tumhare yaha hota hai BHAANG pee ke NACHO aur BEHOODA ban jao.. Aur tere ko maloom hai GARBA ke dino mai doctors ki report, MOST abortion cases are in GARBA period.. Even music not allowed in Islam, Alcohal is HARAM, Dance is HARAM..Abe study karo pehle phir bolo. Killroy Friday, December 1, 2006 4:28:45 PM Guruji ko gussa kyon hai?Perfektm was mentioning about the book 'Arabian Nights' and other books.. human Friday, December 1, 2006 4:40:41 PM PM,The turning of the jews into apes and swines was an incident happened 2000 years before the Prophet and it was revealed to the Prophet by Almighty God when the jews were asking him questions about about previous events in history...the incident was a punishment sent down by God on the jews for disobeying God's commandment during that period....There was no incident like that during the time of the Prophet....just like the incident of Moses (pbuh) and Pharoah or the stories of other Prophets (pbuta) which are narrated in the Holy Quran similarly that incident too was revealed and narrated...to prove to the People of the Book that it was a divine revelation and Mohammed (pbuh) being an illeterate person and who had lived 40 years of his life among the Pagans and Jews and Christians and was known for his honesty and integrity, could suddenly come up with true facts which had occured centuries before...Till Moses (pbuh) God used to send down punishments as recorded in the religious scriptures of Torah and Bible and after that God said that no more punishments will be sent down and till the Day of Judgement Man is free to what he likes and will be judged..Those who obey and reject the Lord's commandments will be dealt with accordingly in Hereafter...Hence many verses in the Holy Quran where the Pagans chide the Prophet to ask for punishment for them and the Prophet too prays for that but God admonishes the Prophet "You are just a warner and your duty is to warn them and give glad tidings"...the punishment or reward are with the Lord who will deal justly on basis of the deeds of each person.... Learner Friday, December 1, 2006 5:44:39 PM Where are you Ashram. i have asked few question above. and also have given some meanings of the words which you feel is insulting and derogatory to the one who doesn't follow the true path. Learner Friday, December 1, 2006 6:07:30 PM Dear venugopal you have written this comment "Almost all Indian Muslims are the succeeding generations of converts from Hindus. Even if their forefathers changed their religion, they could not have changed their parents, could they? Therefore the same Hindu blood courses through the veins of Muslims in India. You may have Mohammad's religion in your mind, but you have Rama's blood in your heart – if you remember this, a new history of India can be written".I completely agree with you. yes you were correct when you told almost all, because there is also the progency of Prophet Muhammad through her last daughter and her husband Hazrat Ali(the cousin of Prophet)spread across india and in the whole world. And some are having the pedigree. Which shows the ancestral line and line of descent till the Prophet. potd Friday, December 1, 2006 7:11:29 PM potd ias a toilet....everyone wants 2 vist it once. infidel Friday, December 1, 2006 7:12:39 PM Human,Do you really believe in fairy tales like jews turning into apes and swins? andPartition of sea by moses?