Answer to manu_me

Sunday, January 7, 2007
Answer to manu_me. D.A ESWAR and SAGE
This comment of mine is an answer to Manu_me, D.A.ESWAR, SAGE‘s comments on the post named muslims and trust (i want the answers please)
Firstly to manu, there is no need to become a Muslim to be a terrorist. Have you not read today's newspaper, in Assam ULFA has killed around 50 people, tell me ULFA terrorist are Muslims?
Do you know manu The IRA and their terrorist activities, are they Muslims? LTTE in Srilanka, are they Muslims? The khalistan movement in punjab killed thousand of people, were they Muslims?
Now i will turn to SAGE, Muslims wherever they go they follow the rules of that land but if they are mistreated and their rights are snatched then they will resist that.
Now i will turn to D.A.ESWAR,why can't a Muslim quote incidents from Ramayana and Mahabharata.
Mr ESWAR, in medieval times countries used to attack each other and rule each other lands. It was the trend in those times. This is still followed by super powers of the world today.
For example Alexander captured half of the world and killed thousands of people. Was he a Muslim? And at the time of Prophet Iran captured some parts of Byzantium Umpire, and then later on Byzantium Umpire bounced back and won the lost land and glory.Were they Muslim Umpires?
11:04:46 PM
Posted By Macho Man Comments (4) Politics
Comments
Alag Sunday, January 7, 2007 11:19:20 PM
It has become a fashion now to bash Islam. The actions of a couple of thousands are malignining the whole community. But Islam followers are also to be blamed partly for this condition. It has closed ranks within itself. In the last 5 to 10 years or so, i have observed that muslims mostly interact amoung themselves as well as becoming more conservative (like wearing burquas et al). They have to understand that these kind of things will only alienate other communites. They have to come forward and mingle with others freely so that the suspicion that other communities have of them will negate.
MUNEERUDEEN Monday, January 8, 2007 12:09:34 AM
Ah finally some support.Thanks Macho-man .As for Alag- if you expect TRUE Muslims to mingle with you in Disco's and Dance Bars and if you expect Muslim women - to Bare All like others do- Its just wishful thinking !Islam is a religion which allows ALL things -within limits. If Islamic Laws were followed - you will not find so many ghastly Murders-Rapes-Robbery.Yes if you dilute it then ALL these will manifest itself in society. How do Muslim Women wearing Burquas compare to Christian Nuns covered from head to toe-with a flat board to hide the shape of their breasts ? Islam closed raanks ONLY after George Walker Bush came to power and talked about bombing Muslims in Afghanistan to the stone AGE !
NDTV Monday, January 8, 2007 8:38:58 AM
no murders-rapes-robbery in islamic paradise, what a joke?

K.Venugopal Tuesday, January 9, 2007 12:07:52 AM
Dear Alag, The problem is not with the Muslims. There are as good or bad as others. The problem is with Islam, which is more a religion of loyalty than spirituality.

NDTV Tuesday, January 9, 2007 1:34:44 AM
sahi kaha venu bhaiya

Rocking Tuesday, January 9, 2007 2:24:50 PM
Venugopal you are absouletly wrong when you said "The problem is with Islam, which is more a religion of loyalty than spirituality."First step to atttain is spirituality is Loyalty towards your lord.Unless you are loyal to your God you will never acheive spirituality. Spirituality is a way to acheive the goodwill of God. And for your kind information in india itself there existed so many spiritual personalities like The khaja Gareeb Nawaz in Ajmer and Khaja Nizam uddin Auliya in Delhi where thousand of people visit without the discrimination of Religion or caste and get benefitted with their spiritual power. I hope i have cleared your misconception about Islam.

K.Venugopal Tuesday, January 9, 2007 5:58:40 PM
Dear Rocking, I understand you but I disagree with you. Loyalty is all about identity and identity is the very antithesis of spirituality. Spirituality is about freedom from all sorts of identity, that is, all forms of limitations. (In case our definitions of 'spirituality' are different, I wish to say that by spirituality I mean living without a psychological dependence on anything, including God.)Khaja Gareeb Nawaz in Ajmer and Khaja Nizamuddin Auliya in Delhi are Sufi personages and Sufis, if I am not mistaken, are past-masters in the final let-go of identities.

MUNEERUDEEN Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:33:49 PM
= Kishna with a 1000 gopikas- Shiva's lingam being worshipped-Kali-a demon goddess-And some good ones too Mahalaxshmi, Rama etc.Or beleiving that Jesus is the SON of GOD (same blood group)These are different standards !Muslim standard is beleif in the CREATOR of Nature ,Universe,Angels, Every living being and finally humans- the best of his creation. How we treat HIS creation is what Life is all about !
MUNEERUDEEN Wednesday, January 10, 2007 5:49:22 PM
Venu & Alag !You are basing your spirituality and loyalty on your GODS_So your standard is that.Muslims base their loyalty and Spirituality on a higher plane- and that is the CREATOR- of Nature.We are inspired by Nature and its spritual effect on man - NOT on Worldly (man made) objects of desire created by Man.There is a basic difference in the STANDARDS - Do you agree ???
Rocking Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:18:56 AM
Veugopal your understanding of the concept "spirituality" is very different from us and also i think from that of hindu sadhus.You are seperating God from spirituality and telling that spirituality means living without psycological dependence on God also.In Islam spirituality is means to achieve God
Rocking Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:13:18 AM
In Islam the main purpose of a man's life on earth is to please God and achieve his Good Will.and for doing that spirituality is the path.how would you achieve spirituality if you alienate from God. The peace and solace can only be achieved if one is close to God. And the spiritual power is granted by God himself.
Shahul Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:51:38 AM
Hi Rocking... What you said is absolutely correct "First step to atttain is spirituality is Loyalty towards your lord"!!! And, thats what all religion teaches. But, there are few people especially like Mr. K.Venugopal who always like to criticise about Islam. I am not sure if any of his family member got some bad experience with any Muslim, seems he is mentally affected. And thats y i think he like to criticise whole Islam community.So, if a muslim got bad experience with a Hndu, does it mean that whole Hinduism is blamed? I would appreciate if everyone in this blog don't mind with this crab venuGopal.
yaveshrana Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:18:06 PM
Stop this unnecessary debate on "WHO IS BETTER". All of you are fools if you think you can convince each other. "YOU ARGUE NOT TO CONVINCE OTHERS BUT TO STRENGTHEN YOUR PREJUDICES". Spirituality, Religion and Humanity are three separate things. First learn to love HUMANITY before you seek union with your GOD and RELIGION. No religion is better than other. You can keep criticising LORD KRISHANA, PROPHET MOHAMMED and JESUS CHRIST. They were all HUMAN BEINGS first then messengers/ incarnation of god. Nothing was revealed to them, it was their superior INTELLECT which wove the web of GODLINESS about them. GOD is beyond HUMAN FORM. He controls 87 GALAXIES-each with 87 solar systems-each with 9-10 planets. BEYOND ALL OF YOU to COMPREHEND this.
Rocking Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:26:15 PM
Yavesh according to Islam Spirituality, religion and humanity are not three seperate things. They are a chain.In Islam religion teaches humanity and first step to spiritulality is to follow religion correctly.Hope i have cleared the islamic point of view.Bear in mind that i am not criticising any religion nor boasting superiority of Islam on other religions.
Rocking Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:31:38 PM
Remember one more thing in Islam if anyone saves the life of a person who is a believer or a non believer, he has saved entire humankind. and if someone killed a person who is innocent irrespective of religion one followed deemed that he has killed entire humankind. And sin is levied on that person of killing mankind.
yaveshrana Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:34:04 PM
Dear ROCKING,I respect your views. This is your BELIEF. My BELIEF is entirely different. Let us learn to respect each others viewpoint--this is what I'm saying. Even within every religion, be it ISLAM or HINDUISM or CHRISTANITY there is no uniformity of the believers. Beliefs of ARYA SMAJISTS n SANATAN DHARM FOLLOWERS in HINDUISM or for that matter SHIAS n SUNNIS in ISLAM or even CATHOLICS n PROTESTENTS IN CHRISTANITY are different. Not only this there are sects within the sects. THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES.WHY BRING THEM IN PUBLIC? What is wrong is to IMPOSE or BOAST OF ONE's OWN BELIEFS. This is the cause of human tragedy. Religion and Spirituality are seprate issues within the broad framework of HUMANITY-as part of it. May be I will one day discuss with you separately.
nitin Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:10:11 PM
well said yaveshrana, i completely agree with you. only if each and everyone understood this basic thing, the world would be a better place to live in
MUNEERUDEEN Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:32:01 PM
I guess this blog wont accept any more comments from me. So here goes a new blog !
MUNEERUDEEN Thursday, January 11, 2007 5:40:08 PM
Please read !MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM- WHY DO WE WORSHIP ?PS: I have copied some of your comments there-Please excuse !

K.Venugopal Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:08:40 PM
It is clear from everyone's comments that we each propagate the religion or idea we are comfortable with. This is as it should be. The problem is when we are perceived as denigrating other’s religion or ideas. We should respect other's beliefs, ideas, propositions or pronouncements. But we also have the right to a different view. If taken positively, ‘a different view’ helps us to review our own view. This would only be for the better.

MUNEERUDEEN Sunday, January 14, 2007 1:12:00 AM
I agree with you Venu and now-you in Mumbai and me in Bahrain can exchange our views by EMAIL. Thanks for your ID- I have mailed my reply too !All the Best.