Misconceptions about Islam - Why do we worship?

Thursday, January 11, 2007
MISCONCEPTIONS FOR ALL TO READ
MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM- WHY DO WE WORSHIP ?

Mr Venugopal , Mr Alag ,Mr NDTV Nitin ,and now intellectual YaveshRana too !
In Continuation … Answer to manu_me. D.A ESWAR and SAGE (UPDATED By more Comments and To Citizen Kane’s Blog and your replies on the subject in various blogs

NDTV Monday, January 8, 2007 8:38:58 AM
no murders-rapes-robbery in islamic paradise, what a joke?
NONE IN PARADISE AND DEFENITELY LESS ON EARTH IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES ! AGREE ?????
K.Venugopal Tuesday, January 9, 2007 12:07:52 AM
Dear Alag, The problem is not with the Muslims. There are as good or bad as others. The problem is with Islam, which is more a religion of loyalty than spirituality.
ISLAM IS LOYALTY TO YOUR CREATOR ! TRUE MR VENUGOPAL .
NDTV Tuesday, January 9, 2007 1:34:44 AM
sahi kaha venu bhaiya
YES BHAI NDTV. VENU BHAI HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITHOUT REALISING WHAT HE SAID
Rocking Tuesday, January 9, 2007 2:24:50 PM
Venugopal you are absouletly wrong when you said "The problem is with Islam, which is more a religion of loyalty than spirituality."First step to atttain is spirituality is Loyalty towards your lord.Unless you are loyal to your God you will never acheive spirituality. Spirituality is a way to acheive the goodwill of God. And for your kind information in india itself there existed so many spiritual personalities like The khaja Gareeb Nawaz in Ajmer and Khaja Nizam uddin Auliya in Delhi where thousand of people visit without the discrimination of Religion or caste and get benefitted with their spiritual power. I hope i have cleared your misconception about Islam.
KEEP ROCKING ! CLEAR THESE MISCONCEPTIONS – ISLAM IS NOT TERRORISM-ITS BUSH’S VIEW.
K.Venugopal Tuesday, January 9, 2007 5:58:40 PM
Dear Rocking, I understand you but I disagree with you. Loyalty is all about identity and identity is the very antithesis of spirituality. Spirituality is about freedom from all sorts of identity, that is, all forms of limitations. (In case our definitions of 'spirituality' are different, I wish to say that by spirituality I mean living without a psychological dependence on anything, including God.)Khaja Gareeb Nawaz in Ajmer and Khaja Nizamuddin Auliya in Delhi are Sufi personages and Sufis, if I am not mistaken, are past-masters in the final let-go of identities.
GOOD IDEA MR VENU – BUT WHO DO YOU TURN TO WHEN YOU FACE DIFFICULTY IN LIFE ?
YOUR SHRINK ? DON’T BE A HYPOCRITE ! YOU WERE BORN A HINDU ,MARRIED UNDER HINDU RITES AND WILL BE PURIFIED BY A HINDU DIP IN THE GANGES OR A POOJARI ! RIGHT ?
yaveshrana Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:18:06 PM
Stop this unnecessary debate on "WHO IS BETTER". All of you are fools if you think you can convince each other. "YOU ARGUE NOT TO CONVINCE OTHERS BUT TO STRENGTHEN YOUR PREJUDICES". Spirituality, Religion and Humanity are three separate things. First learn to love HUMANITY before you seek union with your GOD and RELIGION. No religion is better than other. You can keep criticising LORD KRISHANA, PROPHET MOHAMMED and JESUS CHRIST. They were all HUMAN BEINGS first then messengers/ incarnation of god. Nothing was revealed to them, it was their superior INTELLECT which wove the web of GODLINESS about them. GOD is beyond HUMAN FORM. He controls 87 GALAXIES-each with 87 solar systems-each with 9-10 planets. BEYOND ALL OF YOU to COMPREHEND this.



yaveshrana Thursday, January 11, 2007 1:34:04 PM
Dear ROCKING,I respect your views. This is your BELIEF. My BELIEF is entirely different. Let us learn to respect each others viewpoint--this is what I'm saying. Even within every religion, be it ISLAM or HINDUISM or CHRISTANITY there is no uniformity of the believers. Beliefs of ARYA SMAJISTS n SANATAN DHARM FOLLOWERS in HINDUISM or for that matter SHIAS n SUNNIS in ISLAM or even CATHOLICS n PROTESTENTS IN CHRISTANITY are different. Not only this there are sects within the sects. THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES.WHY BRING THEM IN PUBLIC? What is wrong is to IMPOSE or BOAST OF ONE's OWN BELIEFS. This is the cause of human tragedy. Religion and Spirituality are seprate issues within the broad framework of HUMANITY-as part of it. May be I will one day discuss with you separately.
INTELLECTUAL RANAJI !
ATLEAST YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE GOD CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE..WE AS HUMAN BEINGS DO NOT HAVE THE INTELLECT FOR THIS. BUT 1400 YEARS AGO PROPHET MOHAMED(SAW) –AN ILLETERATE HAS SUPERIOR INTELLECT AND HE WOVE A WEB OF GODLINESS AROUND HIM …RIGHT ??/ HOW COME FOR THE LAST 1400 YEARS WE HAVE NEVER FOUND ANYBODY –LITERATE OR ILLITERATE-WITH A SUPERIOR INTELLECT. YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN MR YAVESH RANA BECAUSE WE MERE MORTALS ARE ALL FOOLS –AS YOU SAY ! PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US ….

I HAVE BORROWED SOME OTHER SCIENTISTS COMMENTS TO BACK BY VIEWS.TAKE A READ !!!!!!!!!!.
nitin Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:10:11 PM
well said yaveshrana, i completely agree with you. only if each and everyone understood this basic thing, the world would be a better place to live in .
NITINBAHI- WE CAN DISCUSS ALL THESE BIAS AGAINST ISLAM AND CLEAR OUR MISCONCEPTION TO MAKE THIS
WORLD A BETTER PLACETO LIVE IN. ITS PEOPLE LIKE BUSH –WHO MAKE IT LESS SAFE !

Mr Venugopal , Mr Alag ,Mr NDTV Nitin ,and now intellectual YaveshRana too !In Continuation …To Citizen Kane’s Blog and your replies on the subject in various blogs I have decided to post a new blog with scientific evidence and links to clear MISCONCEPTIONS about ISLAM -as a religion of TERRORISTS ! Please read those !
PS: I have copied some of your comments there-Please excuse !

MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ISLAM- WHY DO WE WORSHIP ?

Everything apart from God, such as humans, angels, and spirits, are created by God. Thus, creation should not be adored and worshipped as God. No created being owns or controls anything in the universe and, therefore, can neither harm nor benefit without God’s permission. God asks us rhetorically, how can we worship other beings besides Him while we know deep inside that God has no equal or rival? Due to this, God, and none other, has the sole right to command and He, and none else, deserves our strict obedience. He deserves to be singled out in all acts of worship, without association of any partners

O mankind, worship your Lord who has created you and those before you, that you may become righteous. He Who has made the earth a resting-place for you and the sky a canopy, and has sent down water from the sky and thereby brought forth fruits for your sustenance. Do not, then, claim that there is any power that could rival God, when you know.” (Quran 2:21,22)

So often we see worship in other religions being reduced to dry, empty rituals. God informs us in this verse that the goal of worship is to achieve Taqwa. In most Quran translations, Taqwa is translated as fear, piety, or righteousness. Perhaps a more accurate translation is ‘God-consciousness’ or ‘God-awareness.’ Taqwa is to be aware of God’s presence at all times and to put a shield between oneself and God’s displeasure by doing what is right. God does not benefit and is not in need of our worship, rather worship, as all His other commandments, is of benefit to our own selves. When a person worships God, they are reminded about Him, and in turn reminded of the purpose of their life, and they themselves will be discouraged from committing vein and evil deeds. These reminders lead to Taqwa or God-consciousness.

Human beings did not appear out of nowhere, but rather God is the One who brought them into being out of nothingness. After their creation, God did not leave them on their own, rather He took care of them when they were in the womb of their mothers, and God has been caring for them throughout their life by providing for them various sources of sustenance. He created things in this life in such a way that they would be of benefit and comfort for people. Therefore, it is the Sole right of God – who created us and those who came before us - that He be worshipped, for it is He and none else who provided us these things.
God has said in the Quran about one of the evil unbelievers who forbade the Prophet Muhammad, may God praise him, from praying at the Kaaba:
“No! If he does not stop, We will take him by the naseyah (front of the head), a lying, sinful naseyah (front of the head)!” (Quran 96:15-16)
Why did the Quran describe the front of the head as being lying and sinful? Why didn’t the Quran say that the person was lying and sinful? What is the relationship between the front of the head and lying and sinfulness.
Read More at this site ….http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/213/
In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development:
“We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)…” (Quran 23:12-14)
Analyse the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. S.A.W) (Hadeeths)
“In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...”
“If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones....”
How could Muhammad, may God praise him, have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Although Aristotle, the founder of the science of embryology, realized that chick embryos developed in stages from his studies of hen’s eggs in the fourth century B.C., he did not give any details about these stages. As far as it is known from the history of embryology, little was known about the staging and classification of human embryos until the twentieth century. For this reason, the descriptions of the human embryo in the Quran cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century. The only reasonable conclusion is: these descriptions were revealed to Muhammad from God. He could not have known such details because he was an illiterate man with absolutely no scientific training.”
Dr. T. V. N. Persaud an Indian Hindu Scientist - is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following: “The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read, didn’t know [how] to write. In fact, he was an illiterate. And we’re talking about twelve [actually about fourteen] hundred years ago. You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements and statements and that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance. There are too many accuracies and, like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”
Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. He studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis.
“Summary: The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”
· Could it be a coincidence that all this recently discovered scientific information from different fields was mentioned in the Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago?
· Could this Quran have been authored by Muhammad, may God praise him, or by any other human being?
The only possible answer is that this Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him.
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Comments
The Truth Thursday, January 11, 2007 6:02:14 PM
Ayat(verse) of The Day On that Day mankind will follow strictly (the voice of) Allâh's caller, no crookedness (that is without going to the right or left of that voice) will they show him (Allâh's caller). And all voices will be humbled for the Most Beneficent (Allâh), and nothing shall you hear but the low voice of their footsteps Surah Tâ­Hâ - 20-108
NDTV Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:45:22 PM
no murders-rapes-robbery = less murders-rapes-robbery. Yani ki NO = LESS. kya baat he, maan gaye aapkoVaise apki jankari ke liye "islamic paradise" asal me "islamic countries" ko hi kaha jata he, aap kahe jannat samaj bethe.
sage Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:07:38 PM
misconceptions about islam- why do you worship, who cares if your worship or not i only know the muslims people who cannot be trusted, trusted not even in the country they live in, they are terrorists, fascists as bush rightly said. they are anti indian even they live in india. they are not to be trusted.
yaveshrana Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:34:28 PM
Sir,Correct your facts. HIS HOLINESS GURU NANAK DEV was born some 800 years after your PROPHET MOHAMMED and LORD CHRIST, LORD BUDDHA, LORD MAHAVIR,and LORD KRISHANA were born before him. AND rituals of other religions are not DRY. Stop using offending language for others. WHEN THEY DO YOU CRY. Now read my reply to you.

K.Venugopal Friday, January 12, 2007 1:09:26 AM
Dear Muneerudeenji,What is worship of God? Does it mean only the 5 times prayer? Or is the whole of living a worship? If it is the later, then that can be possible only when we have awakened to our higher self, seeing creation as a reflection of our self. If it is the former, then worship is an expression of loyalty (complete with the bows). Loyalty turns us into slaves and robots, while awakening transforms us to divinity. (Funny that the Muslims are saying that this is exactly what Allah has made us for and that they are proud to be slaves of Allah. What a perverted view of religion.) Dr. Zakir Hussain, the writer of the article quoted by you, says that Taqwa is translated as God-consciousness or God-awareness. Now since God is not something you can grasp by your five senses, He has to be grasped by our inner faculties. This is possible only if God is within us, and he can be within us only as a spirit. That spirit is our own life, our soul, our atma, our consciousness. We are that atma and therefore we are God. We are not separate from God. If we were, then our consciousness of God will only be as an object of our senses and God will be reduced to a mere idol for us. Anything that can be grasped by the five senses is a material object, an idol. Since Muslims proclaim they are not idol worshippers, they have to accept that true worship is to finally realize that we are God – not be his slave. Slaves do things. The final act is to go beyond activity and become. The slave becomes the master. This leads to the conclusion that God never created anything, everything always existed in its essence, which essence, on the principle of involution and evolution, is the stage for this so called drama of creation.

Rocking Friday, January 12, 2007 11:06:47 AM
Veugopal ok i take your point for some time and accept that we are God.Now tell are we (you and me)rotating and revolving the earth, due to which days and nights are happening and also the seasons are changing.or there is some power which is doing all.Now tell me shall i accept your view that we are God.If we are God then why dont we have the power to rotate and revolve the earth and other planets.

K.Venugopal Friday, January 12, 2007 7:11:49 PM
Dear Rocking, God is not rotating the earth like you and I rotate a top. If we recognise God as consciousness, I have no objection. Because we are also essentially consciousness - both movement and stillness are consciousness. You have a God who needs someone (Mohammad) to take down a dictation over a period of many years in bits and pieces(was Gabriel in between?) which in turn he dictates to others and the book is finally out in its one and only edition after his death. What a long winded way for the Earth Spinner to communicate with his creation! Believe me, what happened was that Mohammad meditated, discovered himself and expressed his experience and that's the Quran. This is not a unique phenomenon in the history of mankind. Al Hillaj Mansoor said "Ane Al Haq" (I am God) and the Muslims killed him for it and thereby killed their chance to understand the true nature of God. So there you are Muslims, still thinking that God is a King sitting out there in the heavens and still in the process of doing things. What a busy man He must be! May a modern Al Hillaj Mansoor come along and enlighten you.

MUNEERUDEEN Friday, January 12, 2007 7:20:14 PM
NDTV JIMujhe Kya Pata ki Aapko Paradise Ka Matlab Rupya Paisa AUR TAEL tha !
MUNEERUDEEN Friday, January 12, 2007 7:39:54 PM
So Venuji !OK -SO you are GOD-in essence - Can you please help me with my business ! Can you help INDIA win the Tests !Can YOU as GOD do something for your own family.Why are you waiting-ASK and it Shall be DONE ! -dont be so NAIVE !
MUNEERUDEEN Friday, January 12, 2007 7:43:29 PM
NDTV JIMujhe Kya Pata ki Aapko Paradise Ka Matlab Rupya Paisa AUR TAEL tha ! SAGE !I cant change your views. You were stabbed in the back by Muslims and lost and I was stabbed in the back by HINDUS AND lost. We are even-lets not complain. Only that I am taking the courts help to recover over Rs 3 crores !
MUNEERUDEEN Friday, January 12, 2007 7:52:40 PM
Venuji !You DRAMA OF LIFE - is beyond me ! YOu say GOD is within you -and I too say the same BUT YOU CANT SAY YOU ARE GOD !

K.Venugopal Friday, January 12, 2007 9:35:24 PM
Dear Muneerudeenji,For you God is all about demonstrating His power. That's typical, because you believe you and God are separate. From such a mind comes such challenges. For me God is the inner reality which I am. And when I awake fully to my inner reality, if not in this lifetime, then many lifetimes down the line, then I will be pleased to entertain such challenges as yours!

K.Venugopal Friday, January 12, 2007 9:47:42 PM
Meanwhile, please ask Allah to enable you to walk on water.

K.Venugopal Friday, January 12, 2007 9:48:32 PM
If you can't, would you conceed there is no Allah?

K.Venugopal Friday, January 12, 2007 9:52:22 PM
Dear Muneerudeenji,I am happy you conceed that God is within you. Now all you have to do is pray within. This is called meditation. Then you will understand what it is to say that you are God.

yaveshrana Friday, January 12, 2007 8:42:36 PM
Sir,This is an enlightened debate between two very well read persons on their respective religions. I really appreciate the depth of arguments on both sides. Each seems convincing. But I am perplexed if both of you really understand what GOD is. Sir, have you seen a remote- controlled toy? Does the toy know what is a HUMAN BEING--Who operates him? This is the relationship between the MAN and GOD. I wish I could continue.

K.Venugopal Friday, January 12, 2007 10:28:12 PM
Mr. Yaveshrana, Yours is a good question. Does the toy know anything? Knowledge begins with consciousness. Though there is only consciousness, it, through the game (leela) it plays (the principle of involution and evolution - you've got to read Aruobindo Maharshi for in-depth explanation of these terms) the toy is not consciousness because it exists as a toy in the coarse state. But that is not the case with human beings. We know God. And some know as much as to proclaim we are God.