Misconceptions - Muslims and trust - Answers

Friday, January 19, 2007
MISCONCEPTIONS-MUSLIMS AND TRUST -ANSWERS !
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K.VENUGOPAL (BLACK PRINT ) K MUNEERUDEEN RED PRINT REPLY

1. First and foremost, I would like to make clear that I am not questioning the faith of Muslims or anyone’s faith whatsoever. Faith can move mountains. No one can question another’s faith for the simple reason that is a very personal matter. But trying to pass off faith as fact can certainly be questioned.
IF FAITH MOVED MOUNTAINS-HIMALAYAS SHOULD BE IN JAPAN AND MOUNT FUJI IN ALASKA ! FAITH IS PERSONAL AND DIFFERENT FROM FACTS OF RELIGION AND WORDS OF WISDOM •BUT WITHOUT FAITH- THE ABC OF RELIIGION- YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND RELIGION !
2. What I said was “God is not rotating the earth like you and I rotate a top.” Everything is consciousness, but it is only man who is conscious that he is conscious. We and the top are separate because the top is not conscious of itself whereas we are. God on the other hand is nothing other than consciousness. Therefore God and his creation are not separate.
IF GOD IS JUST CONCIOUSNESS • THEN WHEN YOU BECOME UNCONCIOUS- WHAT HAPPENS- GOD DISSAPERS FROM WITHIN YOU ??????
3. The drama of creation presents itself before us due to the pulsating nature of consciousness. It is this nature of consciousness that manifests in duality, which is the basis on which consciousness experiences variety. (The explanation of this calls for the explanation of intricate science, which is spoken of in the Vedas.)
YAJUR VEDA , SAMA VEDA AND VENU VEDA ARE ALL THE SAME • CONSIOUSNESS IN MAN IS GOD AND GOD CREATED MAN-SO MAN IS GOD • OH WHAT A THEOREY !
4. What we call God is the essential power of consciousness that we are. We realize that power when we wake up it. This awakening is what spirituality is all about • waking up to the power that we really are.
SCIENTISTS NOW HAVE PROVED THAT THEY ARE GOD •WITH ARTIFICIAL INSEMINATION ???????- DO THEY WAIT WITH THEIR HANDS TIED • OR DO THEY BLOW IN LIFE TO THE IMPLANTED SEEDS THAT CREATE AN EMBRYO ???- IT’S THE SAME AS HAVING A ONE NIGHT STAND AND GETTING IMPREGNATED- NOTHING ELSE !
5. Issac Newton’s theory about a thing remaining in a state until and unless a force acts upon it is what we observe in our material world. The material world is only the solidified state of consciousness. THEN WHAT IS THE LIQUID FORM OF CONCOIUSNESS . SWEAT ! AFTER PRANAYAMA ?????
6. Do you remember Newton’s theory that matter can neither be created nor destroyed? There is no place for a creator God in this theory, is there?
WHO CREATON NEWTON • NOT NEWTON HIMSELF ?
7. In Islamic reasoning there is a simple answer to everything • Allah did it, Allah created it, Allah said it, only Allah knows etc. Since Islam believes the Creator-created separation, I ask, who created Allah? Or is this a taboo question?
ALLAH •GOD • BRAHMA • CONSCOIUSNESS WHATEVER YOU CALLED IT • CANNOT BE CREATED ! CAN IT ????????
8. Is a Muslim required to remember Allah with every breath of his? This is great. But what does it mean ‘to remember’ Does it not mean that Allah should be in our consciousness every moment? If you really do it, a moment will come when your consciousness becomes Allah. And such a person would say, Ane Al Haq, or Aham Brahmasmi • I am God.
AGAIN •ANE AL HAQ -- HAQ MEANS TRUTH • NOT GOD ! AND MAYBE AHAM BRAHASMI MAY MEAN THAT • BUT IT IS ONLY IN THE VEDAS !
9. The power Sufi saints have is because they are highly spiritual. The disconnect with Sufis is the major cause of problems in Islam. Many Muslims do not consider the Sufis to be Muslims at all.
SUFIS- ARE SPIRITUAL- NOT IN RIGHT SENSE. THEY ARE IN A TRANCE • A STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS •WHERE THEY ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE SPIRITS- (NOT ALLAH ) BUT SOME VERY PIOUS SERVANTS OF ALLAH • DO MANAGE TO COMMUNICATE WITH A HIGHER BEING WHICH ADVICES IN DOING GOOD- BUT NOT ALWWAYS !AND SUFIS CANNOT GO INTO A TRANCE WITHOUT LOUD MUSIC • OR THE EXTREME OPPOSITE- COMPLETE SOLITUDE ! • COMMON MAN ATTEMPTS TO COMMUNICATE WITH GOD-ALLAH- IN HIS NORMAL STATE •NOT IN A TRANCE !
ISLAM FORBIDS PRAYERS IN AN INTOXICATED MANNER •WEATHER IN A TRANCE • OR INIBERATED !- PRAYER IS ONLY IN NORMAL CONSCIOUSNESS AND CANNOT BE PERFORMED IN AN UNCONSCIOUS OR UNCLEAN STATE OF MIND AND BODY !
10. Allah’s tradition of choosing a man and appointing him as a messenger is fine. But the claim that the tradition ended with Mohammad is inexplicable, except that it is written in the Quran.
OK • SO LIKE SOMEONE ELSE SAID •YOU HAVE GURU NANAK- YOU HAVE SATYA SAI BABA • YOU HAVE PALANI BABA- YOU HAVE AYYAPPA SAMI- BUT ALL THESE MORTALS NEVER PREACHED A DIVINE GOSPEL . THEY ALL SAID THE SAME THING THAT VENU VEDA SAYS- “I AM GOD “ WORSHIP ME ! BUT PROPHET MUHAMMED (SAW) NEVER SAID I AM GOD- HE ONLY SAID THAT I AM A MESSENGER OF GOD (RASUL- RISALA IN ARABIC MEANS LETTER- SO RASUL IS JUST A MESSENGER WITH A BOOK FROM ALLAH !) AND DIFFERNCE IS LIKE NIGHT AND DAY !
11. What you mention about Mohammad sitting in the Nabavi mosque suggests, to me, that Mohammad was meditating and in the trance lost consciousness of his surroundings. However I am not able to imagine the pose he was in when you talk of ‘lap on lap’. In meditation, particularly if accompanied by pranayama, you sweat profusely. I do not know why Mohammad gained weight and his face became red. Do you?
PROPHET MOHAMED (SAW) WAS NOT A MODERN DAY SUFI SAINT .HIS RETIRING TO A CAVE-WAS TO GET DIVINE GUIDANCE FROM ARCH ANGEL GABRIEL ! YOU WOULD GO TO AN ASHRAM TO LEARN VEDAS RIGHT ? NO ONE KNOWS IN WHAT POSE HE SAT-KNEELED-BOWED OR STOOD UP FIRM ! BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE YOURSELF SITTING IN “PRANAYAMA STATE” WHEN YOUR BOSS WALKS INTO YOUR OFFICE ??? SO DON’T SAY IT. AS FOR SWEATING- OR NOT- EVEN WITHOUT PRANAYAMA • YOU SWEAT IN THE ARAB DESERT- AND IF THE PROHET DID NOT SWEAT-THEN IT MEANS •HE WAS FULLY IN CONTROL OF HIS CONSCIOUSNESS AND WAS NOT IN A TRANCE ! •AS YOU SAY !
12. You say Mohammad did not know how to read and write. For self realization neither is required. Mohammad certainly knew many things about the Jews - from them he borrowed at least the idea of circumcision and skull cap.
PROPHET MOHAMED NEVER TRAVELLED BEYOND THE HIJAZ REGION OF ARABIA- NOT EVEN TO THE NAJD DESERTS.THEN HOW CAN HE KNOW ABOUT THE JEWS ??? AS FOR SKULL CAPS- THEY ARE NOT COMPULSORY IN ISLAM •ITS SUNNAH ( PROPHET-S PRACTCE) AND CIRCUMSCISSION •A MEDICAL CONDITION WHICH AMERICAN’S DO TO BABIES • AND AS IT TURNS OUT- A MAJOR PREVENTOR OF AIDS TRANSMISSION !
13. It appears that Mohammad had relapses on his spiritual path, which alone helps to reconcile many contradictory verses in the Quran. (One verse says that if you kill one man you have killed mankind and another verses says ‘slay them’.)
I THINK I HAVE EXPLAINED THIS EARLIER. THE QURAN WAS REVELED IN STAGES AND ALWAYS IN THE PROPHETS LIFE’S CONTEXT AND INTERACTION WITH THE TRIBES AND PEOPLE. THUS WHEN PAGAN ARABS WERE USED TO WINE , WOMEN AND IDOL WORSHIP •THE PROPHET REVEALED THAT •NO ONE SHALL ENTER PRAYER EXCEPT IN A CLEAN AND UN INTOXICATED STATE. SO DOES THAT MEAN •INTOXICAMTS ARE ALLOWED OTHERWISE ? THAT WAS THEN REVEALED THAT THE INTOXICANTS- AND ‘NASHA’ AND FLESH OF SWINE-AND BLOOD ARE PROHIBITED !THE CONTRADICTIONS YOU EXPLAIN ARE BECAUSE YOU TAKE THEM OUT OF CONTEXT . LIKE IF YOU READ LA ILAHA ILLALLAH WHICH MEANS LITERALLY- THERE IS NO GOD • but ALLAH) SO YOU CANNOT TAKE ONLY LA ILAH AND SAY THAT THE QURAN SAYS-THERE IS NO GOD !!!!
CLARIFICATION FROM YOUR REPLIES TO OTHERS & ON THEIR BLOGS TOO !
K.VENUGOPAL : You've got a good point, Infidel. I can think of at least 2 things that are well known among Hindus but science (modern science, that is) is yet to discover. (1) The Kundalini power situated at the base of the spine. In fact, I believe the science of the future would be a pursuit of this power. (2) The power that is generated in temples by tantric techniques of consecration. This is a power like the power of electricity or the power of gravity or the magnetic power………. Therefore a Hindu, imbibed in the ethos of Hindu culture, can accept Islam as also a path to God.……………………. Of course, nothing should be taken out of context. But what is the ultimate context? I would say that the ultimate context is the stage of non-duality, where the creator and the created are one. In this context all texts can be reconciled. Any context less than this would only foster 'we' and 'they' dichotomy……………….Mancho Man, This is exactly what I am saying, "It is not unusual or a novel thing which had happened with Prophet Muhammad". But you folks are making it out that Islam is the only true religion and God stopped talking to anyone since the 7th century.
Who is waiting for science to discover kundalini power ?/ .Tantric power is all used up during “Kumbha Abhishekam “ & rituals ! again you say Allah is everone and everyone is ALLAH ??? Yes God stopped talking to Man after he gave Moses the TEN COMMANDMENTS and thousands of years later •gave a little baby the power to Talk and say that he was JESUS ! and still 600 years to Prophet Mohamed • and as a 40 year old adult male ! So if you are GOD •why don’t you answer that yourself !
HINDU ICON : the fire of hindu dharma could not be extinguished and will never be extinguished………..dear shandilya,the theory of relativity by Einstein is based on the same principle as propounded by Shankaracharya in the famous words "BHRAMASATYA JAGADMITYA…………can praising god make him happy KRISH or do we need to live a better life too !................... .... u ashamed of wat ur forefathers did or r u hiding behind a smokescreen as ofcourse it is not dar ul islam here, so u hav to be considerate.as for being a muslim basher, does islam require any bashing and i wont fall to that level to bash islam. these r facts, contradict them with facts not dialogues from hindi films. ............. According to science the sum total of energy from the day of creation of universe till today is the same, only forms have changed. We also believe that there exists a energy source called as Paramatma !....
NO ONE IS EXTINGUISHING THE HINDU DARMHA AND MAYBE EINSTEIN TOOK HIS THEOREY FROM "BHRAMASATYA JAGADMITYA & SOME HINDI FILMS DO REFLECT RELIGIOUS BELIEF
DHARMIK : SO TO SAY THE FRUIT OF TODAY WAS THE RESULT OF YESTERDAY ……………SO MUCH ADVANCEMENT IS THERE CAN ANY BODY SHOW AN OBJECT WHICH IS NOT CREATED BY GOD BUT BY MAN. MAN IS SO IMMATURE TO UNDERSTAND GOD WITH HIS FIVE SENSES, IT REQUIRE ANOTHER FIVE SENSES. BUT MAN CAN MODIFIY THE OBJECTS BY USING HIS REASONING A BOON OF GOD ONLY.
"SATHYAMEVE JAYATHE - TRUTH ALONE STANDS OUT !
TRUTHHURTS : Hinduism is not greater, it is greastest.??????????????
YES TRUTH SURELY HURTS ! • AND THAT’S THE TRUTH !
MISTERINVARIANT : But religion demands more than faith. Those things (commandments, if you like) are to be found in the corresponding scriptures and related literature
TRUE ! THE COMMANDMANTS ARE TO DO GOOD AND NOT TO DO HARM 0- IN WHICHEVER RELIGION YOU TAKE !
KRISH123 : It does not matter what religion you follow. It matters how you follow. God is Unique and please follow in good way as you know or as you learned. God is not going to be happy if you praise your religion. Praise God and Make him happy! Seems Mr. Venugopal is Dumb fellow who like to fuel among religion. Do not go with his comments please.
Ameen ! Amen ! sathyam ! sachch !

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MUNEERUDEEN Friday, January 19, 2007 1:21:28 AM
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jj Friday, January 19, 2007 11:50:44 PM
a real devotee of god and a true advaitin and true student of the upanishads will never show surprise when ignorance is parading off as knowledge.i am not at all surprised. it requires a great deal of mental purity to attain the state of brahman and declare "aham brahma asmi" --- it can only be experienced

K.Venugopal Friday, January 19, 2007 11:52:21 PM
'Faith moves mountains’ is a proverb and it means faith gives a person tremendous inner strength. So talking about actual physical moving of mountain ranges is missing the point. What becomes unconscious is the physical being, not consciousness itself. In any case the nature of consciousness is pulsatory and it appears and disappears without ever extinguishing itself. Consciousness is not merely a theory; it is very much what we are. When we are unconsciousness, we know nothing, but consciousness itself is ever aware. So to know we have to be conscious and we can awaken to higher consciousness and lead a fuller life. Even if scientists create something, its only natural – for don’t they have the God within them?There is consciousness even in stones but that is extremely feeble, whereas man is sufficiently conscious to make the next ascent to higher consciousness. From superfine, fine to the coarse – that’s what I meant by solidification. This is not Venu Veda. This is in the original Vedas.The power that created Newton, you, me, animals minerals is the power within each. Call that power God. Only, I say, do not separate it from us. You believe God created everything. I ask once again, who created God? I say everything comes and goes due to the pulsatory nature of consciousness. There is neither a creator separate from his creation nor a creation slavish to the creator. Everything is on the same principle of consciousness.
K.Venugopal Friday, January 19, 2007 11:56:53 PM
Why was Mansoor Hillaj killed for saying Ane Al Haq if Haq only means the Truth? Does it mean Islam is against Truth? Did you say Muslims attempt to communicate with Allah – I thought their only duty was to follow the instructions of Allah. In meditation external conditions need no not matter. Only your consciousness must be focused. External conditions may help, but if they are not necessary, so much the better.That’s your problem, Muneerka, the problem of a typical Muslim, believing no one preached a divine Gospel except those listed in the Quran. Mohammad may not have claimed he is God. How can slaves claim they are the Master? Sathya Sai Baba is no Mohammad. He claims he is God because he has realized his divinity.
K.Venugopal Friday, January 19, 2007 11:58:54 PM
About Hindus accepting Islam as a path to God, well, that’s what is enduring about Hinduism, accepting that there are many paths to God or many techniques to God realization.